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Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The politics comment was aimed at Sophron. > > You've called them gypos, that is a direct > allusion to race / ethnicity. Not in my eyes. It's an allusion to behaviour.

I never mentioned politics, or lefties/right wing anyway. Another poster. Much how I never mentioned race or ethnicity in either thread at any point. Which you haven't acknowledged my correction on. I suggest you brush up on your comprehension skills of who is posting what, before pinning it all to me.

Sophron Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thing is Otta - cle used the words to describe the > sentiment that is being banded around i.e. somehow > coz someone doesn't want others going through > their bins on their property they are somehow > uncaring (uncharitable). > > Semantics or he said/she said etc. doesn't change > that and I hope cle is enjoying defending the > position - it's eminently defendable and the > criticisms come across as tosh to be honest. More > sanctimonious holier than though leftish drivel ? > there is another debate to be had about > protecting these immigrants? from unscrupulous > gangs who exploit them by getting them to do this > type of scavenging! Thanks Sophron - uncharitable was quite clearly the insinuation Otta, for those who didn't want this happening in their front gardens. I didn't use quotation marks so the putting words in your mouth accusation is fatuous. It's exactly what you and another were getting at.

Much better than Flying Pig I'd say. Lots of decent, interesting things rather than generic, over-hoppy 9% US IPAs... plenty of South/East London, not just Kernel and Meantime, but Partizan, Brockley (bleurgh), Five Points, Brixton, Brick and the brilliant By The Horns...

Best craft beer selection going in SE London at Bambuni. Worth the trip alone.

Notable plants, and then bin.

Nope, actually I don't. My home, so zero qualms about social sensitivities if it's a question of my home and family being safe and secure (including our data). Everything else comes after that.

So not wanting strangers rifling through your rubbish in your front garden makes you a bad person; inhospitable or uncharitable somehow? Why stop at just hunters of scrap/clothes/ID theft material/whatever - surely you're a terrible person if you don't allow homeless people to sleep in your front garden? Or to come to Sunday lunch? Or get into bed? Nobody should be allowed their sanctuary, or privacy, or a respite from the world's ills - but should be accountable for them at all times...?

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta I wouldn't be too offended, the EDF is a > minefield of online shock jocks as you know. > > Louisa. As ever Louisa, you win the board! Otta - calling me a snob and taking about my tone is one thing (and you're quite right even though I am slightly messing around too), but I don't appreciate the random quotation of the racial elements in the reply to me, which if you trawl through my posts, I have never once engaged on or mentioned at all. Not me talking about Asians or Eastern Europeans...

deborah.bruce Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We should have a hashtag. #EastDulwichbingyppos > > In response to you Cle, who have also referred to > these two women as 'slatterns' in a previous > post. > > I am more shocked by your use of derogatory > language on a public forum as if it were the most > normal thing in the world, your territorial > obsession with your own front garden, your > apparent lack of empathy and your small minded > view of the world, than by the fact that there are > two women rummaging through bins. I would be more > worried if my children read your comments than if > they saw two people looking through the things we > had thrown out through our living room window. And a few other choice terms too - it's been a bit of an ongoing joke, as was the hashtag quite clearly. Bore off with your faux shock, and find something to channel your exasperation into. That said, I don't think your 'territorial' as a pejorative about a front garden is quite right. It's as much my property as my bedroom and I don't see why people should come in without permission and rifle around - except for the expected and the obvious whose reason and purpose is clear (postmen, binmen, even junk mail/flyering). You may want a free-for-all but please don't assume your attitude is normal.

This is excellent, cheers. I'm sure I read about another Victoria train each hour which would stop at Denmark Hill - maybe a longer distance one coming from Dover or something?

We should have a hashtag. #EastDulwichbingyppos

I think there is certainly a hint of blame/backhandedness in: "hopefully will be a bit more aware of her surroundings now when she's walking down the street reading her phone. "

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What does "full high street status" mean? I don't know but it sounds exciting... Space NK cannot be too far!

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > She wasn't actually mugged. He ran by and snatched > the phone, it's not as if she was held at knife > point. > > Not saying that's okay, but at the end if the day > she's unhurt, still has her phone, and hopefully > will be a bit more aware of her surroundings now > when she's walking down the street reading her > phone. Wondered how long it would take to blame the girl. How dare she have her phone out, the tease...it's on a plate for him!

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm crossing my fingers for a back-to-back medley > of 'Saw'. I never caught the last one actually, good shout. I've rather enjoyed the BFI's Ghibli season.

I look forward to a programme of Peruvian coming of age dramas and live Glyndebourne 2015.

If anything, after this thread I'd probably laugh if I saw these poor slatterns. Can't imagine a vigilante mob myself.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm impressed so far: strangers, gyppos, > trespassers, skanks, entrants, drifters. > > > Might I suggest - 'rogues', 'vagrants' and 'ne'er > do wells'? Carnies and pikeys ended up on the cutting room floor, as did 'release the hounds' and 'put them to the sword'...

Well if it doesn't look cared for, or looks like a dumping ground/fox attack, then it doesn't discourage would-be entrants. Whereas a tidy one, important raspberries and all, might attract less drifters.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This from someone who told another poster to "get > over yourself". > > So your issue is basically having a couple of > Eastern European women in your front garden just > makes the place look untidy. Right then. It's having anybody there who I don't know, full stop - beyond bin men/postie. It's not a public space. Why is that so difficult to compute?

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is a notable front garden? One decent enough that you might be a tad bothered that strangers are poking around it, uninvited. If yours represents the tip already, that's another matter.

LadyDeliah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What's with the 'in view of your children' bit > about? How does that make it worse? > > And as for normalising behaviour, this appears to > be normal for them anyway. Your normal doesn't > dictate what is normal for anyone else. > > If you don't care about anyone else's problems, > then you are pretty selfish. Maybe if you ever > end up on your arse, you'll have a bit more > understanding. Get over yourself and your own virtue. Perhaps if you had a notable front garden of your own (doesn't sound that way in the house price thread), you might not like the idea of strangers entering uninvited and going through your things. And do you not agree that outside of what is most people's living room, the sight of strange ladies going through your bins is not a little odd and unnerving for kids? By no means am I a "please think of the children" type - but this is not something people should have to put up with from their home, including their front garden, which should be their sanctuary. And yes that includes sanctuary from work, commuting, stress and the world's ills - not wanting someone going through your bins does not equate to not caring. We don't always have to live on heightened bleeding heart do-gooder alert. Maybe you should think about charity beginning at home a tad more in fact (see other thread on property prices and income levels).

Otta, are you missing the point about encouraging/normalising people to open your gate and come onto your property, rifling through your things - possibly in view of your children. Or worse, where no-one is in (and as a possibly recce of burglary/access). It's not about the thrown out stuff, it's about the lack of invitation to search through it.

I prefer the dirty caff on Bellenden for that sort of thing, and Anderson for more poncey brunch brekkie. The pub's breakfast is ok too.