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I’m not denying taxes were raised im saying they weren’t raised just to give it all away on “benefits” and I backed that up by saying if they did the markets would have reacted very differently

That isn’t what the budget did if it did the markets would have reacted very differently but if you believe that’s what the budget did then nothing I or anyone else can say here will persuade you otherwise.

No the leaks came after the apocalyptic of some on here - the whole leak/non leak and obr problem aren’t great - but ultimately a wash and not that relevant. journalists should be analysing what the budget did and didn’t do but as per everything since 2016 is just personal psychodrama and college-boy sniggering

the speed at which critics of labour have switched last week from "the economy is toast because of Reeves!" to "the economy is doing well and it's Reeve's fault!" I don't think it was a great budget and it was tinkering and won't deliver many of the things the country needs - but it wasn't the disaster some people on here have been predicting for months either and they hysterical reaction from the likes of Dan Hodges and cronies is embarrassing

"they are usually built very cheaply" - as I understand it, the consensus is that homes are not being built at all, so not sure how they fit your description. Have NO idea what you are on about with your climate change rules - but I suspect you just think the whole thing is a hoax anyway "no-one who has any choice would want to live in them" - again they aren't being built so not sure how this applies. So if a new street of housing was built somewhere in SE22 - you think people earring 50k, currently unable to get their own home would not want to look at any new houses because of the reasons you describe? I doubt it. And today's cheap housing becomes tomorrows desirable, unaffordable homes - it's snobbery to say houses built before (say) 2000 were great and everything after is cheap and woke "they are built without any thought as to how the new residents will be offered basic services such as GP surgeries, transport links and schools etc," crikey - 15 minute cities are desirable so! Joking aside, I have seen towns expand and not enough thought is given to infrastructure etc - but that's as much to do with the horse trading done with locals to get the things built in first place. (someone will say "they can't have a shop there because it will take business away from someone else. And no pub because, I dunno drugs. Something" also - if you are going to build more surgeries and services (and we should) then you are going to have to tell all the people currently being told to ;eave the country to, erm, not leave because we need their expertise "but we can train brits to do those jobs" - how has that worked out for any country? Need immigration as well folks But one thing we can't do is continue to not provide homes for all the people growing up and as they leaves schools and unis. And if we are not going to provide homes, and the value of your 1M house becomes 2M because of scarcity of housing, maybe don't complain too much if we need to claw some of that unearned income back because "actually, I'm the real victim in all of this"

I think “high rises” and “crime” might be your words not mine “liking the character of an area” is something I imagine mos people feel. But it is subjective. What year was your home built? Should it not have been? To preserve the character of the area at that time? I don’t think building is the only solution. Investment landlords and multiple property owners could also be tackled but simply saying “no. Because character of area” isn’t going to help anyone growing up in the area get a place to live

I think it’s directly related because a major factor in so few houses actually being built despite the demand is a) financial incentives for builders isn’t there. Longer they wait to build the more prices go up. Because too many people want prices to go up b) nimbys. In expensive houses. Don’t build here it will devalue my property Because my property price has to go up

But isn’t that massive construction effort the prerequisite to solve the housing problems? or is there another way?

Fair enough. Perhaps I’m wrong but the country can either have rising house prices or affordable housing. Which means falling house prices right? or is there a scenario where all of the existing housing stock rises in value while the hundreds of thousands of new, affordable homes are somehow immune to the same market forces? How do we build enough affordable houses for our children yet insist on our own houses going up in value? Both can’t be true. Enough new housing stock has to lower existing housing prices if not , where am I wrong?

Tom and Stoppard are Dead real shame - and the names won’t stop coming I remember being 8 or 9 in the 70s when my parents went thru this as a lot of their generation were going time. Is waiting in the wings

I don’t follow this logic at all - I see no connection. I do see a lot of people sitting on a lot of assets bleating about unfairness and then seeing some people support them with some “I will never own a house like that but if they say it’s bad it must be bad” as a country we need more money - this tax will raise relatively little but given the noise from people this well off, it suggests that trying to raise money from any quarter is an uphill battle it’s completely baffling

I think you are making a whole bunch of assumptions there which just don’t stack up - the assumption that inflation will simply keep rising for example as well as a bunch of incomplete statements - I don’t know what point that last paragraph is making?

Historically we don’t pay that much tax compared to comparative countries and current levels aren’t that high https://obr.uk/box/the-uks-tax-burden-in-historical-and-international-context/ and where does the 2031 number come from? Every person complaining about a small amount of tax on homes above £2million is the direct enemy of every voter/government/plan to build affordable housing if any government were to actually build sufficient housing, there wouldn’t be many £2 million houses left and that’s a good thing you can’t have your house value be your pension AND have affordable housing - you have to choose one

I don’t have a sub but the link still works

That’s been there for a while I think anyone remember when GBK first started (long before se22) and what a breath of fresh air. Then they got investor money and became a frozen franchise. Awful as for veggie burgers being banned - you’ll be telling us that Tesco won’t call their Christmas trees Christmas trees next