londoner_77

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If SE15 is Peckham, where is Nunhead? SE15 is Peckham and Nunhead. But it certainly isn't East Dulwich!

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SE15 is Peckham. Everyone except for you basically > gets that. You shouldn't be ashamed John, embrace > your Peckham roots! Ah so edhistory lives in SE15? Honestly, the lengths some people will go to in order to claim they live in East Dulwich, heehee!

Parkdrive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > londoner_77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Parkdrive Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Why would anyone want to claim they live in > > > Peckham when they don't? I went to Peckham > > Manor > > > school in the late 60's and early 70's, > Peckham > > > was nasty then and it still is. But then East > > > Dulwich was crap then and it ain't much > better > > > now. > > > > That's quite a negative post! There are some > very > > nice bits of Peckham - and East Dulwich is > lovely! > > Negative but true, Peckham was/is nasty and is > East Dulwich is far from "lovely". I also owned a > shop in Peckham for 7 years which simply > reinforced my belief the place was a hole. Parkdrive, do you really think so? I honestly think East Dulwich is lovely! Out of interest, why do you think otherwise? And don't you think there are some nice bits of Peckham? What were your experiences of owning a shop there?

Hi spider69, I haven't walked down Chadwick Road for ages - what are the issues with the council properties there? I know there are quite a few on that street. And I agree, I don't know why people knock others who come into the area and make improvements to their homes. It brings up the area and makes it a nicer place to live for everybody! I am pleased to see Peckham coming up in the world again.

Parkdrive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why would anyone want to claim they live in > Peckham when they don't? I went to Peckham Manor > school in the late 60's and early 70's, Peckham > was nasty then and it still is. But then East > Dulwich was crap then and it ain't much better > now. That's quite a negative post! There are some very nice bits of Peckham - and East Dulwich is lovely!

I agree there are downsides to gentrification - namely, the ones that Jeremy has mentioned. But is there anything really wrong with, as you put it, "unloved properties being put to good use"? And surely there are lots of positives to gentrification too - for example, more nice bars and restaurants to enjoy and a more pleasant streetscape (as we will hopefully see if the plans for the station go ahead). Personally I think it's good when an area comes up in the world rather than staying down at heel. Would people rather Peckham was like Catford? Now that is ungentrified! By the way, with regard to Rye Lane, I really can't see it becoming middle class in my life time. The Greggs near the top is still burnt out and there isn't one shop on the street that is aiming at a middle class clientele. I really can't see it changing any time soon. (Edited to add in a missing word)

Pugwash - excellent post. The closure of local police stations in London is a very worrying development IMO. Sadly the bobby on the beat is a rare sight these days, as the police are so under-resourced. You're right, in the old days a neighbourhood cop would have known exactly who to look out for and where to look. Sadly it seems the police are no longer such a part of local communities nowadays, due to the cuts.

I had mixed feelings about the BBC clip. It wasn't very insightful at all, but then trying to address such a complex issue as gentrification in a two-minute segment was never going to be I suppose. I'm sure I'll get vilified for this, but I also don't understand what the problem is with people who have a bit of money wanting to move to the area. Why shouldn't they come here? I also don't see why people appear to have an issue with all the new restaurants and bars that have opened in Peckham recently and which, in my opinion, have made the area a nicer place to be. There's now far more choice of venues in which to spend a bit of my hard-earned cash, and I enjoy going to Lot9, Peckham Refreshment Rooms, Franks and other places. However, some people seem to deride these places as "hipster" and as the middle-classes taking over. I feel that people are very much overreacting to it all as well. A few bars may have opened up, but Peckham is still not a posh place overall, and it definitely isn't anywhere near the level of East Dulwich. If you've been down Rye Lane recently (as I do every day), you could hardly call it gentrified. It's still the scruffy place that it always was (in recent times at least - it used to be lovely 50 years ago) and not one of the shops is a place I'd describe as "gentrified". It also baffles me when people say they don't want to see new money in the area, but they are keen to see the station done up and Rye Lane improved. Surely that in itself is gentrification - it's making Peckham a "posher" and more appealing place to be. Anyhow, it's an interesting debate and I'd like to hear what others have to say on the matter.

I live near The Herne tavern. About 20 minutes ago there was this really loud noise, it sounded like a man repeatedly shouting swear words and ranting through a megaphone or something! It went on for about ten minutes, and then I heard a police car with its siren on pull up and stop somewhere near. Completely silent now! Does anyone know what happened?

I don't think people disapprove of the hair shops per se. But they do disapprove of the rubbish that many shops seem to regularly dump on the streets. KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hold on, the hair shops are there for a reason, > because there's been continued demand over many > years. > What's the rationale for wanting some of those > shops to pack-up ? > Because some white folk dissaprove of them. > Behave.

As you say, it's "fine" but not "great". I wouldn't go out of my way to visit it. Dulwich Village could do with some more destination restaurants and pubs IMO - and this sounds like it could be just the ticket. Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > londoner_77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > This sounds great. Dulwich Village is woefully > > (and surprisingly!) lacking in decent places to > > have a drink or meal! > > xxxxxx > > Eh? > > The Dog is fine to have a drink in. > > Don't know about the food as I've never eaten > there. > > ETA: I mean never eaten there in its most recent > incarnation. > > I had one of the very worst meals of my life there > about ten years ago ......

This sounds great. Dulwich Village is woefully (and surprisingly!) lacking in decent places to have a drink or meal!

This sounds great. Araucaria, who is Hannah Barry? Will the Peckham Refreshment Rooms be a permanent fixture or is it a pop-up concept? pexprincess Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When you come out of Peckham Rye Station and turn > right. The units on the right hand corner, > opposite Il Gardino. THere is a notice outside > these premises that they have an alochol license. > Google the name on the notice ; )

Vikki O Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apparently it's going to be a wine bar with a > small but impressive restaurant menu so not too > dissimilar to G&B That sounds fantastic - hope you're right! I've been really missing Green and Blue since it closed.

^^^ Thanks Pugwash - yes, I have had a look at the council website and leaseholders are liable to pay if they decide to undertake "major works" on the property. But then, isn't that the same in any leasehold building, whether the freeholder is private or council?