Jellybeanz

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So we're speculating about something one person > has said (but we don't know what that was). > > Probably. Admin deleted the post.

It was my wife that put the post up. I was there and believe you me, I have lived in East Dulwich for about 18yrs. I love this place and its multiculturalism. I would be the last person to cry racism and in fact when my wife first alerted me to the fact that the guy had lied to us about the pub's availability I didn't believe it. I was shocked when I called the pub and was told there WAS availability, in the 2-3 minutes that it took me to call them back using my mobile phone - a table big enough for the exact number of people that I asked had magically become available. I don't wont to continue with this thread and want to draw a close to this matter. When you brush things aside as political correctness gone wrong, it truly shows your naivety. My children were there and that for me made the experience even more painful.

Bumping post as still such a pivotal issue.

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I have racked my brain but sadly can't think of any logical explanation. I'll be interested to see what the General Manager says tomorrow after they've had a discussion.

Racism is usually so hidden or subtle, this was very shocking especially in an area which is so mixed. Tragic really.

My friend's son has attended Heber nursery and loved it, loads of fun activities, lots of help with basics in phonics and numbers so he's now well prepared for reception (which will be a different school, as his brother attends another primary school). Best of luck with your decision

Mine are 4 years apart but loved sharing a room from the start. I was worried for same reasons as you but actually they both settled and slept better because they were together on the whole. It's been rare that one has disturbed the other. Good luck, I'm positive they'll be fine!

I have posted a thread in the lounge but so upset I wanted to let other families know about our experience. We went to the Crown & Greyhound at lunchtime today (me, hubby, our sons aged 4 and 8 and their auntie) but my husband (British, Nigerian origin) was advised by the restaurant manager that they were fully booked. I noticed the booking sheet only had two bookings for midday so was surprised but happy to go to Rocca next door as that's one of my favourite places to eat with family. I commented that I didn't think they were fully booked to my husband but he didn't believe me, so we went into Rocca and he stayed outside and called the Crown. He rang to see if they had a table, giving his name as John, and they said yes no problem within twenty minutes. My husband went back and spoke to the General Manager, who did not know what had happened and was very helpful. The restaurant manager said a table had become available but this was obviously a lie as the place was almost empty of diners. The General Manager is ringing me back after promising to look further at what happened. I will update this post after we've spoken tomorrow but for now I wanted to post as this experience was so disgusting, particularly in an area we love partly because it is so multicultural and friendly. All I can say is how shameful of the restaurant manager to be so overtly prejudiced and what a shame.

Unfortunately it is often the case that you have to go to appeal in order for them to see sense. Best wishes and good luc, sounds ridiculous and stressful!

She was an incredible MP. She personally helped me out with a personal matter many years ago and I had the honour of meeting her at a local community group meeting a few years later and thanking her. She was warm, genuine and approachable. She will be a huge loss.

I hate to post negative reviews or messages generally but I feel compelled to, given my experience today at The Crown & Greyhound pub in Dulwich Village. My husband and I, our two children (aged 4 and 8) and their auntie went into the restaurant part of the pub today at around midday today. The place was almost deserted except for people drinking outside and a couple of people in the front bar area. There were no diners that I could see. My husband (British but of Nigerian origin) asked the restaurant manager if there was a table for 5 but was informed they were fully booked. I queried this as I could see the list of bookings (2 at midday, 2 more at 12.30 and 1pm and so on). As this pub seats a large number of people I was surprised by this, as you'd need around 40+ diners to fill the rear restaurant. The restaurant manager told us there would be a table at 2.30pm if we wanted to come back later. I persuaded my husband that we should try next door at the lovely Italian Rocca restaurant and - despite the fact they looked full to bursting - we were offered a nice table and immediately seated. I commented to my husband that I didn't believe the Crown had been full and he thought I was wrong. To prove me wrong he rang the pub whilst we sat down. He gave the typically English name of John and was told there was a table for 5 whenever we wanted it - 10/20 minutes time. My husband then returned to the pub next door and asked to speak to the general manager. In front of this overall manager, my husband then asked why he had been able to book a table over the phone but was refused a table when we had been in minutes earlier. The restaurant manager tried to lie and say they'd had a cancellation but unfortunately my husband had already asked this question when we had all been there a short time before so this was him blatantly trying to cover himself in front of his manager. When I went back to find my husband, I found he and the restaurant manager having a heated conversation (needless to say my husband was appalled and annoyed at this treatment) and in fact at one point the restaurant manager had the audacity to threaten to call the police. The overall general manager asked us to calm down and tell our side, which we did in brief. He then offered to ring us tomorrow and I will update this post when I have had that conversation. The general manager said "I can see something has gone on here and I will look into it" and was very nice. This experience disgusted me and I simply can believe such overt racism was exercised in an area that is extremely multicultural (albeit Dulwich village is different from East Dulwich I find both very mixed and lovely on their different merits). I read an article about a mother with a crying baby being asked to leave the Brick House cafe a while back and felt that was pretty out of order but this reached a whole new level and if this is illustrative of how customers are treated it explains why Rocca and the other eateries are always busy and the Crown & Greyhound is empty by comparison. What a shame, is all I can say. Shameful behaviour and has left a bad taste in all of our mouths at such treatment.

Such an important issue - I hope the petition gets huge publicity along with David Lammy's amazing speech yesterday in the House of Commons.

Interesting - I have also wondered about this...

I'd agree most people are emotional wrecks whilst going through fertility treatment - understandable I'd say as still such a taboo - quite bizarre really when you think about how many people suffer! EastdulwichNewbie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi > > I am really sorry to hear about your failed cycle. > That is really tough. > > We went with Zita West. We decided to go private > as we knew the NHS would take a while longer and > it seemed like a 'one size fits all' approach, > based on our friends' experience (this may not be > the case, it was just our perception at the time). > With Zita West we really liked the fact they were > so positive and seemed to tailor their treatment > and take a holistic approach. We did look at > lifestyle factors before we even got into > discussions about whether IVF was right. In our > case, these didn't help and we needed ICSI. > > After the first failed cycle (ended in missed > miscarriage), they did a thorough review and we > made some changes before the next successful > frozen cycle. We felt really supported throughout > the whole process and that we were throwing > everything at it (as a result of some tests I > needed blood thinners, thyroxine and progesterone > injections too). I also had the controversial > intralipid infusion and acupuncture. I have no > idea whether the extras helped or not but we felt > positive doing them and that was important to us. > > > We liked the fact we were under the care of a male > fertility specialist (Dr Rofena - a lovely Dr - > highly recommended), and that they used the > facilities/specialists at Care London and the > location was handy for our places of work too. > Perhaps the most important factor was the speed of > being able to go through a cycle - it was so much > quicker than it would have been through the NHS, > but privately the NHS may be comparable. A couple > of counselling sessions were included and I found > this really useful, especially after the missed > miscarriage and when I was an emotional wreck > during our most recent frozen cycle. This may be a > standard feature of fertility treatment though. > > We didn't do a comparison but I imagine that ZW > are at the more expensive end of things. > > ZW use the facilities at Care London who also run > full cycles but with less emphasis on the extras > (as far as I'm aware). I'm pretty sure they offer > fertility packages which may be worth looking > into. > > As another poster suggested, forums are a good > place to start. I'd also recommend attending open > evenings so you can ask questions and get a feel > for their approach and prices. > > Best of luck for whichever route you go for.

We had fertility treatment at Kings years ago, luckily it worked and I can't advise on the actual place (would recommend Kings generally but not all the staff were that great - a few fed up nurses / admin staff didn't make for an entirely stress free process). I would, however, highly recommend you try acupuncture before and during IVF treatment. Few people know but it can boost your success rate hugely and I cannot stress that enough, tho the medics often pooh pooh anything "alternative" even when this is effectively Chinese medicine dating back thousands of years. I had acupuncture before and found it very relaxing. I also had treatment after the implantation. I had been for a scan and the nurse let me down gently that she did not think it had been successful (embryos were too small and various sizes). I was disappointed obviously but nonetheless went for acupuncture the following day and then back for another scan on Monday. The nurse was visibly astonished - the embryos had all grown in size considerably and were more evenly sized, meaning the medics had 3 to choose from. I cried with joy, which for me is rare. There is a huge amount of research and stats showing acupuncture is effective - whether it be because of its stress relieving effects or the stimulation of the relevant areas. I used Tracey Goulding who is absolutely wonderful. She is the utmost professional, calm, very patient and caring. Just amazing really. http://traceygoulding.com/ Happy to chat more if you would like to PM me. I know it can be incredibly stressful going through the process, with all the injections and clinical side of things.

I've heard all good things. We were offered a place years ago but I decided against as you have to provide meals, my only other negative was the place needs a bit of a refurb. I got a good impression all in all and I live nearby and see lots of happy kids being dropped and picked up, all good signs!

https://capturedontherye.com/ Captured on the Rye also good for anyone else stuck for ideas - Lou does screen printing parties, great for all ages

Sounds great! Mine can't do this but bumping as I am sure others will be interested...

http://traceygoulding.com Tracey is wonderful. She helped me through fertility treatment (acupuncture is proven to boost chances of IVF working and it did in our case). I have also found it good for relaxation and back problems. I cannot recommend her enough.

I second Nunhead Green, Albrighton centre on Dog Kennel Hill or ED community centre also good spaces.

Usual annual pre Christmas queue past end of the road. Elderly woman needs a chair if anyone lives on or near silvester road! Thanks

I thought they had some free activities going on that you could just show up for? I know the exhibition and some bookable activities are sold out tho...

I know people with children at Goose Green and Heber and both pleased. Go with your instincts!