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Reopen West Peckham thread? I?d say reopen and as every thread on here shows opinions always differ. I don?t read every thread and I?m sure others are the same. The Council is treating them separately, with the West Peckham consultation closing earlier. Examples can be used from both to illustrate concerns but this thread is 18 pages long so specifics may be lost and there are only days to respond to the West Peckham consultation and if you are in that area the thread will be of interest as it directly affects you.

First mate I hadn?t taken in that the houses in Herne Hill are larger. The earlier post suggested 4 places with zones that might be worth checking out. The two that were easiest for me to check out were Peckham and Herne Hill. I ruled out Peckham, as has been said on here its not like East Dulwich as there are car parks. Herne Hill may not be the same as every road within the zone but if yellow lines over dropped kerbs are a concern it would show how that works. A thought I had the Council must have introduced zones with shorter yellow lines on dropped kerbs before the change in policy - Herne Hill will have that length. If it was an issue, and I don?t see how it could be in a zone as the bays restrict where people should park, the Council would know and I?d expect the consultation documents to say so? If commuter parking is also an issue probably close enough to Herne HIll station to give an idea of what a zone might do to parking availability. Any suggestions on somewhere similar to East Dulwich? I thought of Harpenden Road (near West Norwood high street, terraced houses split into flats) but maybe West Norwood isn?t a good choice as there is Tulse HIll station at one end and West Norwood at the other so what you see is probably what you would get if commuters are the problem which isn?t the case for the whole East Dulwich zone. inthetexasmoment although the Council named the CPZ consultation West Peckham roads onto Grove Vale were included, and mention had been made of parking issues caused by commuters parking to use East Dulwich station so maybe not East Dulwich by title but definitely an issue for East Dulwich residents so a thread for General ED Issues in the same way as the Dulwich Hamlet thread

What area is classed as East Dulwich according to the forum? I understand the West Peckham CPZ thread was closed to avoid confusion given there are a number of threads on CPZs ( if it could be reopened to give people somewhere to share information as the consultation runs until 7 February that would be good) but a comment was made that it was non Eat Dulwich related. This is wrong as although the Council termed it West Peckham it relates to roads leading to Grove Vale and one issue mentioned in the thread was commuters parking and going to East Dulwich station. Admin can?t be responsible for misinformation posted on the forum but I trust that when moving things to The Lounge as they are not East Dulwich related East Dulwich issues are any at least to Denmark Hill station / the junction of Lordship Lane with the South Circular as I?m sure people in those areas use East Dulwich Station and Lordship Lane.

Someone posted on here a good suggestion to go to a CPZ near a high street and see what it meant. I?d intended to go to Herne Hill today - I park at 7.30 on a Thursday morning with no problem but that doesn?t really show what the zone does. I wanted to try on a Saturday morning as the businesses will be open and as you go from here to the junction the roads on the left as you get near the parade of shops have two zones. The first you come to is a 2 hour Monday to Friday zone and the second, in the road just next to the parade of shops is all day (I can?t remember if its Monday to Friday or Monday to Saturday) so you can definitely park in Burbage Road or Winterbrook Road today and walk around and see how parking is. Seems to me that would give an answer to as a resident could your visitors park and how do the shops look - I?ve been walking through there most weeks for three years now and I?ve not noticed the same number of shops shut for the length of time as in East Dulwich (Threshers, Jaflong, Londis) but nowhere is going to have exactly the same conditions and this is somewhere you can drive to. I hope to get there next Saturday but its not going to happen today. If anyone else has a chance and can post on here what its like that would be great

I?ve just attended the exhibition at Dulwich Hamlet for the development by Meadow. As expected nothing much extra information wise. when you sign in you can ask for email updates on the project and there are forms to fill in to give feedback. The exhibition runs for another hour or so, until 2pm. If you have questions there are people there to talk to. What little information there is can be found on http://www.championhillproposals.com/exhibition/. There is a model of the proposed site at the exhibition but it was surrounded when I was there and may well change before the formal planning application so I didn?t wait to see it. I?d say if you are going to Sainsburys / will be in the area pop in but don?t make a special journey unless you want to ask questions.

Champion Hill It?s a trial and there will be formal consultation if the trial is judged successful. Monitoring will take place for 9-12 months. If it affects you feed your experience and views into the formal consultation so it can be judged on current traffic flow / impact. The next stages given on the Council website https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/championhilltrial/ are: * February - Autumn 2019 (6-9 months): Monitoring period, including settling in period and monitoring surveys, and online feedback questionnaire/liaison with key stakeholders * Late Autumn 2019: Results of monitoring analysed and presented and consultation on permanent feature * Winter 2019/20: Decision making-?consultation report and recommendations * Spring 2020: Make permanent/remove/modifications/mitigation (subject to statutory consultation) They also say what they want to monitor so if one of these affects you tell them. What do we want to monitor? During the trial we intend to monitor impact of the trial on the following: * Road safety/traffic dominance on Champion Hill * Road safety/traffic dominance around Dog Kennel Hill Primary School * Road safety at the raised table in Champion?Hill * Access needs for local residents * Traffic displacement onto adjacent residential roads * Traffic on Dog Kennel Hill, Grove Lane, Champion Park and Denmark Hill? I?ve only scanned it but there is a report on next steps which includes info on monitoring and what is expected from the trial. Tie back your feedback to this and show you?ve considered their objectives and the local impact. https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/championhilltrial/supporting_documents/Consultation%20summary%20and%20next%20steps%20v1.0.pdf A trial gives time to see how it works, what the impact is and how it affects you. Seems like a good thing to me - the final decision can be made on the current situation not how it was or is expected to be and those affected can monitor it too not just the Council

Re double yellow lines. If you think they are excessive, in general in the zone or for your road say so on your consultation. Yellow lines in Grove Park where reduced after it was raised as an issue. It was even mentioned in the committee report: ?22. There are a significant number of representations from residents on Grove Park. Efforts were made before the statutory consultation to engage with residents and while the majority do state that they ?wholly object? to the proposals, it is hoped that by reducing the extent of double yellow lines on the street, the majority would support some kind of parking restrictions. Officers have reviewed the proposals and are proposing to reduce the length of double yellow lines each side of all driveways on Grove Park to one metre to create approximately 23 additional parking spaces. This is a departure from our design standards and original proposals (2 metres) although it is deemed an acceptable compromise when considered against the road safety risks involved (Appendix 5). The effectiveness of this compromise solution will need to be monitored.? The Council departed from their policy so might do it again. If people parked considerately yellow lines would not be needed, if people drove considerately yellow boxes would not be needed. Unfortunately that?s not the case. The choice of length may be excessive but the reason for them is to improve access / safety. A ?one size fits all? will never exist. I?m sure we don?t all agree with every rule or law but they are a fact of life. The consultation is a chance to influence the design of the zone. You can say No and still answer the other questions so if the decision is to go ahead the zone works as best it can for your needs.

Regarding the East Dulwich CPZ someone has put the links from the initial, informal consultation on the Dog Kennel Hill Zone. The zone did not go ahead as it was proposed at that time, but was amended. The response rate may have been low but the option was there to respond and changes were made to the design. I?ve not seen a post from anyone to say what the situation is in Grove Park now. I checked the maps issued initially with the consultation for DKH and the revised maps and less yellow lines / more permit holder bays were included in Grove Park in the revised maps so if you have concerns about the yellow lines / mix of bays proposed for your road put that in your response and ask for changes the Council does listen. I?m sure Grove Park lost parking spaces as there are a lot of yellow lines on the plans - dropped kerbs? I know comments have been made that spaces will be lost because of yellow lines across dropped kerbs where visitors park with the householders permission but no yellow line means any vehicle can park there and not every driver is considerate. I saw a post on here from someone who lived by a school and couldn?t get their car off the drive as there was no restriction and parents parked there to take Johnny to school and when advised they were blocking them in the response was ?I?ll only be a couple of minutes?. The report of the results of the consultation https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/4540/PDF%201_Dog%20Kennel%20Hill_Report_Final.pdf for Grove Park shows * A difference of opinion from respondents on whether they wanted a zone * A majority wanted the two hour zone - as introduced * A majority wanted the zone to operate Monday to Friday - as introduced There was a cock up when the DKH order was written which has now been corrected. I don?t know Grove Park but based on our part of the DKH zone I?d expect its better in the mornings, maybe not all day as it sounds like their issue is with parking for the hospital so its not commuter parking in the same way as here. It?s not possible for someone from outside the area to park all day as paid for parking is limited and the vehicle must move when the paid for time expires - see extract from order below ? (i) vehicles which have paid the parking charge of ?2.75 per hour (using 'Pay by Phone') may be left for up to two hours (provided no vehicle may return to a parking place on that same day), or (ii) vehicles issued with a valid residents' permit, valid business permit or valid visitors' permit may be left without time limit, between the hours of 11 am and 1 pm on Mondays to Fridays inclusive. Located in GROVE PARK, the easternmost north-west to south-east arm, on the south-west side, at the side of No. 37 Grove Park (40 metres in length).? I can only say the DKH zone has solved the problem of commuters parking all day near the station but that?s not the only consideration around Lordship Lane. If you think the issues raised for Grove Park are relevant to your road go down there between 11 and 1 and see what its like. Now the order has been corrected it can, and should be being enforced and that?s what you could expect from a 2 hour zone when its operating.

Charles Martel has provided links to objections for Grove Park, and someone else has also put the links on the Councillor thread, from the initial, informal consultation. The zone did not go ahead as it was proposed at that time, but was amended. The response rate may have been low but the option was there to respond and changes were made to the design. I?ve not seen a post from anyone to say what the situation is in Grove Park now. I checked the maps issued initially with the consultation for DKH and the revised maps and less yellow lines / more permit holder bays were included in Grove Park in the revised maps so if you have concerns about the mix of bays proposed for your road put that in your response and ask for changes the Council does listen. I?m sure Grove Park lost parking spaces as there are a lot of yellow lines on the plans - dropped kerbs? I know comments have been made that spaces will be lost because of yellow lines across dropped kerbs where visitors park with the householders permission but no yellow line means any vehicle can park there and not every driver is considerate. I saw a post on here from someone who lived by a school and couldn?t get their car off the drive as there was no restriction and parents parked there to take Johnny to school and when advised they were blocking them in the response was ?I?ll only be a couple of minutes?. The report of the results of the consultation https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/4540/PDF%201_Dog%20Kennel%20Hill_Report_Final.pdf for Grove Park shows * A difference of opinion from respondents on whether they wanted a zone * A majority wanted the two hour zone - as introduced * A majority wanted the zone to operate Monday to Friday - as introduced There was a cock up when the DKH order was written which has now been corrected. I don?t know Grove Park but based on our part of the DKH zone I?d expect its better in the mornings, maybe not all day as it sounds like their issue is with parking for the hospital so its not commuter parking in the same way as here. It?s not possible for someone from outside the area to park all day as paid for parking is limited and the vehicle must move when the paid for time expires - see extract from order below ? (i) vehicles which have paid the parking charge of ?2.75 per hour (using 'Pay by Phone') may be left for up to two hours (provided no vehicle may return to a parking place on that same day), or (ii) vehicles issued with a valid residents' permit, valid business permit or valid visitors' permit may be left without time limit, between the hours of 11 am and 1 pm on Mondays to Fridays inclusive. Located in GROVE PARK, the easternmost north-west to south-east arm, on the south-west side, at the side of No. 37 Grove Park (40 metres in length).? I can only say the DKH zone has solved the problem of commuters parking all day near the station but that?s not the only consideration around Lordship Lane. If you think the issues raised for Grove Park are relevant to your road go down there between 11 and 1 and see what its like. Now the order has been corrected it can, and should be being enforced and that?s what you could expect from a 2 hour zone when its operating.

The consultation has been extended to 28 February as advised at the dropin and on here. The consultation hub page says so https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/eastdulwichparking/, although the parking projects page still refers to the original date. Good opportunity to get information together on how this affects you. Hopefully the businesses with the Save Our Streets posters are getting feedback from customers as well as signatures. Being able to disprove the 2015 figure quoted in the documents issued by the Council of 22% travelling by car will highlight changes that may be needed. I don?t suppose it?s going to be popular on here but the more I think about it an all day zone looks like the only one that will work. Initially I thought a part day zone would support businesses and bring relief to those residents who have problems parking but it will only be during the hours of operation. The rest of the time it will be like now, and if it affects businesses trade they would be very empty when the zone operates and then busy when it didn?t which with the size of the properties on Lordship Lane probably won?t help the businesses. James Barber?s suggestion of different times each side of Lordship Lane so there was always free parking seemed a good one but I can see everyone rushing to move their cars from one side to the other with the associated accident / emissions risks. If you think this won?t happen you have a better faith in driver behaviour than I see everyday. I know the question ?Why should we / visitors have to pay? has been asked but will the cost of a permit - less than two drinks a month - mean people who need a car have to really think about the cost on top of insurance, fuel (less than 2 tanks of petrol for us), service charges and all the other costs of running a car? Even a business permit, though high and I don?t want to lose our independents, is ?49 per month and from what I?ve heard greedy landlords increasing rent silly amounts is more of a problem. I know of one business that wanted to setup on Lordship Lane and went to High Street Kensington as the rent was more reasonable! Whether you are for or against respond to the consultation

I?m still undecided if this is a good idea for the area. I?ve just been to the dropping session on until 5pm at Push Studios, 17 Blackwater Road and use this as an opportunity to ask questions about ow the zone will affect you / the businesses you use on Lordship Lane and feedback on the questionnaires. For or against make your view known Parking in the area has got worse in the 20 years we?ve lived in East Dulwich and walking down Lordship Lane to the dropin session reminded me why I?ve never driven down there in those 20 years, I?m lucky I don?t need to - others might have a different view. A few thoughts I took away from my discussion with the staff and questions I asked that might be of interest to others. The completed questionnaires they receive will be used to put together the report to committee with what should happen. If you live in East Dulwich but outside the zone fill in questions that apply on the questionnaire rather than send feedback in another way. Not clear what weight will be given to non-resident / business responses but hopefully the news of users of the businesses will have some weight. One zone or multiple? This is one of the biggest zones they?ve consulted on and one reason for consulting is to get views on whether the zone is right. The final layout may be a number of smaller zones, though my impression was they are leaning heavily towards one zone. If you think what will work for your road won?t work for those at the other end I?d say put that on your consultation response. Comments on this thread highlight a commuter problem nearer to the station that is unlikely to be the problem in roads away from the station. Can?t see how one zone could solve both sets of problems. Will residents be able to park near businesses. I never personally drive to Lordship Lane but as with other zones if there is one zone then your permit will entitle you to park in any permit bay in the zone. That means a permit holder from Barry Road could drive to Frogley Road and park in a permit holder only bay while visiting shops on that part of Lordship Lane at no additional charge. Those with permits in other zones (Dog Kennel Hill, West Peckham if introduced) would need to walk / take public transport or use the paid parking bays. Nxjen, having used, and still using, shops and businesses along Lordship Lane for over 20 years I don?t want them to close because their customers cannot park. It doesn?t affect me as I don?t drive to Lordship Lane but I?m sure there are some who do. If this was just a parking zone I might have more of a problem with this but its for healthier streets too and if people who drive decide to walk or use public transport that will make it more pleasant for everyone and if businesses don?t lose out we?ll all benefit. The Grove Vale maps only seem to show bays on one side. There was an error on the map but parking will stay as it is now but with a proposed 2 hour limit. I asked about customers at hairdressers etc who pay to park and stay beyond the time paid for? Say they have an appointment between 1 & 3, they pay for 1 - 2 when the zone operates but want to visit other shops after their appointment and then to use other shops. They will need to move to another bay. Probably only an issue for a very small number of customers. The zone?s never going to be acceptable to everyone or solve all the issues but do make your voice heard by filling in the consultation or the Council won?t have any reason to change the design. One of the staff did say this was the first stage and after the consultation they will put together a report to go to committee so fill in the consultation now, tell them what will work for you and gather evidence to demonstrate what you are saying. Walking off the estate behind Dulwich Hamlet?s ground today, when the restrictions don?t operate and on a match day was like walking around before the CPZ was introduced. The non resident parking will be gone once the match is over but its a reminder of how it was - we wouldn?t be able to drive onto or off the estate without driving on the wrong side of the road.

Nxjen Not quite. It?s unlikely cars would be parked for the whole day, just short periods while supporting the businesses on Lordship Lane. If permit holders from other areas of East Dulwich can?t park and won?t walk / use public transport the local businesses lose trade. The numbers of East Dulwich residents who want to park all day to commute is likely to be smaller and the parking situation should improve for those currently struggling to park without taking business away from local businesses. My thinking anyway

Eileen, I think from your other posts that you live in the proposed West Peckham zone which last time I looked closed on 31 January so keep that in mind. I don?t see any reason that as an East Dulwich resident and Lordship Lane user but not resident in the area under consultation we can?t respond to the East Dulwich zone consultation. The only way to get confirmed answers to your questions is to ask officers involved in the consultation. From his posts James diligently answers questions posed but I don?t think he is a traffic engineer. Also if you ask the officers it should be registered as a residents concern and taken into account. Maybe you just want another understanding before putting your views together. Here is my understanding of the answers to some of your questions As a resident of the recently introduced Dog Kennel Hill zone the introduction of the two hour restriction has drastically improved the area, but commuters were our problem. * how the limited time of paid parking for a couple of hours works to stop commuters paying on their phones? This is not possible in the Dog Kennel Hill zone where there is just a two hour restriction and deterring commuters is a common aim of zones so I?d be surprised, if the Council let that happen. In the order for the Dog Kennel Hill zone payment is allowed for the two hours but a no return is set so any car parked there all day could be given a ticket. They are definitely checking cars in the Dog Kennel Hill Zone and we?ve not seen the commuter cars that were parking and walking to the station since the zone was introduced. * will those of us in the Bellenden area (so called now by the Council 'West Peckham') not be able to use Bellenden CPZ permits to park in East Dulwich as it is a separate CPZ? That is a point I will be making in my response. I believe any resident of East Dulwich who uses Lordship Lane should be able to park if they want. I believe this is possible but am not sure how it will affect residents in the roads directly off Lordship Lane as I don?t know how many people drive from elsewhere in East Dulwich. * I had heard from Peckham town centre CPZ residents that they can park only in streets near them not the whole of the town centre CPZ. Are you sure it is throughout the zone our own street is in? You will be able to park anywhere within the zone your permit is issued for. So anyone with a permit for the Dog Kennel Hill zone, Q, can park in any road in that zone. The East Dulwich consultation has been extended to 7 February. The documents are online at [consultations.southwark.gov.uk] There is a drop in session where you can go to ask questions on 26 January from 1400-1700 at Push Studios, 17 Blackwater Road if you have questions concerns and want to know more before filling in the consultation.

As you will se from the limited information on the Our Proposals page on the website Scottfield posted the link for there will be no new building on MOL. I don?t expect there will be detail until the planning application is made

Looks like the estate has received invitations - we got one on Buxted Road. The website has very little information and I wouldn't expect much from the exhibition - too early in the planning process to have much detail I'd have thought. Exhibition might be a chance to ask Meadow how they will address concerns from earlier failed planning applications.

Parking is always an emotive subject but its a fact of life and maybe the zone is a chance to make parking and driving locally, and the local air quality better? I?ve looked at the consultation documents and they are not perfect, but fairly reasonable given the situation I?ve seen in 20+years in East Dulwich. A number of concerns and questions have been raised on here. The answers to them will provide valuable information to understand how the introduction of a zone will affect you and the main issue I see is the problem differs across the zone being consulted on and as a resident or business. It?s not going to be possible to solve all issues but make your views known or they can?t be taken into account. As a resident in the Dog Kennel Hill zone for over 20 years we had 3 or 4 consultations before the zone was brought in so the Council do listen but they also take into account the change in the number of cars on the streets, and it has changed as comments have shown. The introduction of adjacent zones has a knock on effect, its just human nature. Some thoughts on questions for the drop-in sessions /to consider when responding to the consultation. Resident Will there be one zone or multiple? Will residents be able to drive and park with their permit in permit holder only bays in the side streets / the paid bays or will they have to use paid bays? If so parking should be easier, if its not been considered it can be built in benefitting residents and businesses. Will people be able to park all day by parking and calling to pay by phone for the charged hours and then leaving the car in the space? They can?t in the Dog Kennel Hill zone and deterring commuters is a common aim of zones so I?d be surprised, although its been steno her if the Council let that happen. If they can?t parking for visitors / those using the shops should be easier. A zone will be needed in the next few years so the consultation is your opportunity to influence how its set up. The person designing the scheme is unlikely to live in East Dulwich so tell them what the issues are here and there is a chance they can be addressed. When you fill in the consultation make your concerns / how you think a zone should operate clear. The reasons for parking differ so one restriction will not solve all issues. Tell the Council what your issue is - commuters, visitors to Lordship Lane, too many residential cars and how long you think a zone needs to operate in your area to address this and support local business. Is the split of bays reasonable - it looks pretty reasonable to me in Melbourne Grove - Paid bays near the businesses, bays for permit holders / visitors near the houses. How does your road look? Business There will be an impact but what that will be I don?t know. There are two issues - those who use the businesses and those who commute and work in the businesses, local schools etc. It may need a change to commuting but, I don?t know about others who?ve posted on this thread, I?ve used public transport to commute my whole time in London (over 20 years) apart from when I was part of a rota system and had to do a server backup that needed to be completed before the working day. A parking space was available to the person responsible on the day as public transport at that hour was considered an unreasonable option. Also my husband has lived in South London all his life and first ?commuted? to school and that still happens now from what i see on the bus and at Denmark Hill station. So personally concerns over commuting for business workers and no longer being able to park non-essential vehicles outside are non-concerns to me. It will be harder for some (teachers come to mind) but they won?t be the only teachers in London facing that and their employer may make arrangements. A loss of footfall to businesses is a concern and something the zone needs to address. Businesses like residents will have different concerns - do people just pop in and buy a few items, or do they spend time on the premises - cafes or hairdressers will be different to shops. I see ESPH have a survey and it would seem like a good idea for businesses to be able to say they have surveyed their customers and the findings bear out / or not the 22% of visits by car that Southwark quote in the consultation pack. ESPH have certain concerns and the survey could be seen to be biased, maybe a slightly larger survey, again depending on the nature of the business and their concerns, might show concerns that the Council hasn?t considered and which they can then build into the design of the zone. Survey for customers Do you mind telling me how you travelled here today? Car, public transport, walk, cycle If car Do you live within the zone being consulted on? Yes / No If Yes Question to ask the Council to confirm permit holders throughout the zone will be able to park in permit bays in the side street with the expectation being parking will be easier If No Would an increase in time (charged but availability expected to increase) be something you would use? Half hour (free) One hour (?1.33) Two hours (4.08) Three hours (?6.83) If Yes What time did you visit? If Yes Was parking easy Questions businesses might want to ask My customers come from across the zone will their permit allow them to park in permit holder bays in the side streets. If not where will the closest place to my business be that they can park? Are the split of bays around my shop likely to cater to my customers - length of stay, available to permit holders (local customers), short stay (30 minutes and if longer needed that will now be possible), are the charges likely to deter my customers from shopping with me / staying or might they stay longer / not drive but still shop with me? How would the different times the zone might operate affect my customers Will the introduction of the zone affect how you use local businesses? Tell them, I?m sure they would like to know.

A zone will be needed in the next few years so the consultation is your opportunity to influence how its set up. The person designing the scheme is unlikely to live in East Dulwich so tell them what the issues are here and there is a chance they can be addressed. When you fill in the consultation make your concerns / how you think a zone should operate clear. The reasons for parking differ so one restriction will not solve all issues. Tell the Council what your issue is - commuters, visitors to Lordship Lane, too many residential cars and how long you think a zone needs to operate in your area to address this and support local business. As others have said PLEASE RESPOND TO THE CONSULTATION AS WELL AS THE THREADS ON HERE. The council needs to understand that this is not just another zone, which it might be to them, and how it will affect the local community. If comments on here are right and the Council will just put the zone in then simply saying no, we shouldn?t have to pay for permits or its going to ruin Lordship Lane probably isn?t something they?ll take seriously. Suggestions to make the zone work for the local community could help For example question 10 in the consultation asks when the zone should operate. What do you think will work and why? A suggestion, not everyone will agree but why would what you think will work be the one that should be chosen? Q10 If a parking zone was introduced, which of he following days would you like the parking zone to operate? Part day, not lunchtime, to support local businesses. and give priority to residents. Commuters using the train station would be discouraged, residents and their visitors would have priority and residents would need fewer visitor permits Naive maybe but it sometimes feels at work that I should be a mind reader as something I?ve not been told about changes how I would address something. Don?t let the Council have that excuse to fall back on.

The_greeno for CPZ Q parking at the weekend should be fine on Pytchley Road - the zone only operates Monday to Friday 11-1. Sounds like where you are referring to is estate parking and I don?t know the rules on that or where to look

The consultation is open, closes on 31 January. The documents are online at https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/eastdulwichparking/ There is a drop in session where you can go to ask questions on 26 January from 1400-1700 at Push Studios, 17 Blackwater Road if you have questions concerns and want to know more before filling in the consultation. Parking problems and paying for parking is just one of the things you encounter living in London. Never welcome but part of living in a civilised societies that rules are needed so everyone can get along. They don?t work for everyone all the time and where they may seem excessive to a sensible person there is always a selfish person who would do what?s restricted. Who hasn?t seen a car parked on double yellow lines somewhere they cause a hold up for other traffic? Lucky you if you drive in London and haven?t been held up, not quite the same but an example that what seems wrong can help in the end. As a resident in what is now the Dog Kennel Hill zone for over 20 years I have seen a number of consultations for a parking zone and an increase in parking problems. Since the introduction of the zone parking, and driving around the zone, is much easier. The East Dulwich zone will be bigger and commuters are not the only problem but the proposal looks reasonable. The split of bays means there will be parking for all types of user and people will still be able to park and visit local businesses, although if from outside the area they will need to pay if they want to stay longer than half an hour and if from within the zone and wanting to park without paying they will need to use the shared use bays not the short stay parking bays as the permit won?t be valid there. To put a couple of the concerns expressed on this thread in context: Local businesses will be affected - do any of the businesses on Lordship Lane sell anything that can?t be carried / delivered. There is always the option of taking a taxi. Lordship Lane won?t be the only high street with paid for parking in London, and in 20+ years of living in East Dulwich I nearly always walk to Lordship Lane, I?m sure I?m not the only one - yes other people will have different situations but I?m sure there are plenty of people who walk to use the shops and restaurants in Lordship Lane. People can pay for the short period by phone and leave the car all day. The signs in the consultation document have a limit on all paid for parking. In the Dog Kennel Hill zone the restriction is only for 2 hours but there is a limit on the paid for parking bays so a car can not be left there all day. The consultation paperwork refers to Thorburn Square and having looked at the traffic order for that it has a restriction so cars can?t return to the same bay so if someone did pay to park and leave the car there all day a call could be made for enforcement and a penalty issued. Its a common problem and I wouldn?t expect the Council to write the traffic order from scratch but use one they?ve written before, and if that isn?t in the original order and does prove to be a problem its easier to amend an order once its in place than put a new one in. Whether you support a CPZ or not read the documents for yourself, comments on here aren?t always accurate even with the best of intentions, and respond to the consultation.

Thanks Zig-zag. I only travel through the station on and off and the posters at the station passed me by and I found out about this on another thread. I can?t see a way to attach files so see post by Zig-zag on http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1993094,1993200#REPLY for more info and a map. PLEASE follow the one way system. Yes the redesign left a lot to be desired. Yes a new entrance is needed. Yes whoever is responsible could have done better. But we need to travel through the station until they get their act together. A one way system may not be ideal but it looks like they?ve learned from the last failed attempt and access to platforms will be quicker. Give it a go, make suggestions for improvements/ report ?inconvenience? supporting a new entrance so those who make the decisions know how pass? are affected. It might work if we all give it a go - it can?t be worse - and the people who make the decisions almost certainly don?t use the station. I remember my dad telling me that when he first passed his driving test there were no drink driving laws. How many of us just accept that if we take the car out we put our seatbelt on and don?t drink. Sure when these laws came in there were people who were against them.

Denmark Hill One Way System from 22 December Thanks Zig-zag. I only travel through the station on and off and the posters at the station passed me by and I found out about this on another thread. PLEASE follow the one way system. Yes the redesign left a lot to be desired. Yes a new entrance is needed. Yes whoever is responsible could have done better. But we need to travel through the station until they get their act together. A one way system may not be ideal but it looks like they?ve learned from the last failed attempt and access to platforms will be quicker. Give it a go, make suggestions for improvements/ report ?inconvenience? supporting a new entrance so those who make the decisions know how pass? are affected. It might work if we all give it a go - it can?t be worse - and the people who make the decisions almost certainly don?t use the station. I remember my dad telling me that when he first passed his driving test there were no drink driving laws. How many of us just accept that if we take the car out we put our seatbelt on and don?t drink. Sure when these laws came in there were people who were against them.