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@James I have to agree with Alan in that CPT also had ample seating outside so that's not a fair comment. They just didn't have any customers to sit outside and it was also un-loved and un-kept so why would anyone even want to. Giving a name to their yard doesn't mean they were proactively creating/encouraging anything. The name 'Gin Yard' was probably just one of their terms within a sponsorship agreement. Surely they just need to build an compliant enclosure around the offending outside areas so sound doesn't travel as far. A bit like what Si Mangia have on Forest Hill Road.

@rahrahrah Couldn't have said it better myself!! To be honest I live on the same road and NEVER been troubled by their patrons. In my experience the anti-social behaviour/nuisance around Underhill and Barry is usually down to teenagers/kids loitering - NOT the late 20's-30+ somethings enjoying some light jazz and a jar at TGE!! It is also ridiculous to compare their target audience and the consequences of a later license to establishments like Boho/Adventure - you only need to drive past on the weekend to see why. Admittedly 2am may be a little too late especially on a Thursday evening but 12:30am with 30 minutes drinking up time (effectively 1am) wouldn't have really hurt anyone. The residents directly affected by their operations could have simply said 2am is a bit too late for us but we would be fine with 12:30am-1am as a compromise. The council could have approved these extended permitted hours and simply added some practical conditions (e.g. locked sound limiter, no external amps to be bought in, better signage asking people to respect neighbours, security to ensure patrons are reminded constantly to keep the noise down whilst outside and leaving, shut windows and doors at a certain time, limit the number of smokers or people outside etc), to their license that I'm sure they would have adhered to. I wish the 50+ residents that objected with such vigour would lobby the council/our councillors for more late night police patrols so they would catch the criminal that tried to climb through my ground floor window last week whilst I was watching TV!!! The prices going up slightly and application for an extension are a 'cry for help' so please support the pub and prevent them from going out of business.