Louisa

nxjen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Or, if possible, would suggest you buy one, > they're not that expensive (relatively), lots less > hassle than arranging to hire one, and as it's so > much more convenient, you'll find you'll use it > more often and your carpets will be much cleaner. I would agree with this point, although it ultimately depends how often you'll be using it, and whether it's needed for a one off job (end of tenancy clean for example if you're moving). The good thing about Rug Doctor is you literally use your card to put in the details on the machine, it drops a key out the bottom, you unlock the cage and take the cleaner . Then just drop it back off again. Or it can be done online. Not expensive either. Louisa.

Lynne Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So, we don't approve of his banning people, so we > ban him. Perhaps someone could explain the logic > of this to me? There is no logic. Just blustering from students and attention seeking social democrats, grieved that they're losing control of the world order. Louisa.

Tesco is your best bet for carpet cleaners 'Rug Doctor' is available to hire from most superstores. I've hire one before, and as long as you know what you're doing they're very good. Cheap enough too. Pop to Elmers End and have a butchers. Louisa.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What was Obama's 'process' Lou?... http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/30/sorry-mr-president-the-obama-administration-did-nothing-similar-to-your-immigration-ban/ "1. Much narrower focus: The Obama administration conducted a review in 2011 of the vetting procedures applied to citizens of a single country (Iraq) and then only to refugees and applicants for Special Immigrant Visas (SIVs), created by Congress to help Iraqis (and later Afghans) who supported the United States in those conflicts. The Trump executive order, on the other hand, applies to seven countries with total population more than 130 million, and to virtually every category of immigrant other than diplomats, including tourists and business travelers." Taken directly from the article above. Wasn't past of the then presidents mandate or program on which he was re-elected, as far as I can see. Whereas Trump stated very early on this was one of the things he intended to do upon winning the election. He won the electoral college and is now implementing what he said he would. Rightly or wrongly, those are the facts. Now why didn't anyone say anything else on here back in 2011 about the US Administrations policy on certain Iraqi citizens? genuinely interested to find out. Louisa.

What angers me about petitions are their selective nature. Courting dictatorships who murdered and inprisoned freedom fighters, silenced voices of democracy- apparently that's OK. No one says a word. The minute an American president is involved, the selective memories go into overdrive with how outraged they happen to be. I agree with post above, Obama started this process back in the 2011 and no one protested or marched in the streets then did they? So what is it- are you just selectively outraged when the opposition suits your political motive? That's how it's coming across. A strong hint of sour grapes. Louisa.

OK let's try something different. Can we please talk about DulwichFox, he seems to be noticeably absent these past few days. Here's a music video tribute to him. Louisa.

Does anyone know any shops locally with deals on shampoo and conditioner (preferably sold separately). I love my Elvive Ultra Shine but it's ?4 a bottle. Any helpful suggestions? Sainsbury's is a no-no. Already checked. Louisa.

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, he IS doing what he said he would do if he > was voted in. America did democratically vote him > as their President. > > It's not an anti-muslim ban. He didn't make up the > list himself - he did inherit it from Obama's > administration. It's not a permanent ban. It's > about vetting immigrants. > > Absolute uproar, all sorts of 'facts' > misinterpreted at convenience. > > It's quite remarkable that he is not swayed by > popular opinion. > No doubt he will burn bridges and cause huge > unsettlement, but we don't actually know what good > he is capabale of, either. > > I think we should not try and prevent the Queen > honouring her invitation - we've had all sorts > over here. > If anything, it's a good thing - an opportunity to > work together rather than letting chaos resume > unchecked. > > The Queen is pretty awesome. I think even Blair > was a bit scared of her. > > > And before you start saying I said something I > didn't - I haven't actually said I like or dislike > Trump. And refusing to insult him does not mean I > am by default racist/ sexist etc. Best post on all these Trump threads BY FAR. Wish some of the rest of you could be this level headed. Louisa.

The way it's going i'll end up with a new sidekick, move over foxy. Louisa.

I feel like I'm becoming more and more like Kim Woodburn as each day passes. Louisa.

Seabag, genuinely fascinated by your last post. The 'types of insults' I rattle out are varied and dependent on my subject matter. As far as Trump/Brexit is concerned, genuine left of centre groups outside of let's for argument sake say, relatively affluent inner London neighbourhoods, are politically and socially more aligned to anything but what's on offer at Westminster, and consequently find themselves grasping at straws when it comes to election time. Having the 'go-to' party of choice spouting alien rhetoric at best, totally indifferent to your aspirations and needs, has allowed this 'flow away' that's splintered in various directions to the detriment of democracy. We are in effect left with a totally ineffective opposition party in this country, one which the loveys of London can identify with, but a sizeable chunk of everyone else is baffled by. I struggle to have to try and support a grouping which no longer represents me, and hasn't for sometime. Mr Louisa is no longer working, as I've previously discussed on here, you may have not been a forum regular back then. I can assure you he wasn't a banker, and if he was I want to know why we didn't go on holiday to more exotic locations than Spain or Greece. I do have in-laws I'd rather not spend time around this I said true, but that's not class related, trust me. My irk isn't personal as I've explained to you before, it's almost interpreted in that manner and I don't understand why. I also fail to understand why when others take the personal route, it isn't called up as many people. But there you go. Louisa.

Fascinating list that says a lot to me. Names include Islington, Shoreditch, Dulwich, Wood Green, Hackney, Stoke Newington. In fact, eight out of ten places on that list are inner city London locations, synonymous with wealthy Guardian readers. In other news, grass is green and the sky is blue, shock horror and surprise. Louisa.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It's almost as hackneyed and simplistic as > hearing > > wealthy London dwellers moaning about people > from > > poor places using their democratic voice to > vote > > for a political belief they find distasteful. > > Let's just ignore democracy shall we and sign a > > petition? That's going to solve everything. > > > > The only reason wealthy London 'left wing' > > (dubious) types are so offended by the labels > is > > because they ring true. > > > > Louisa. > > It's fun on a not-much-to-to-day, to blather off > with these tedious stereo types, to exercise your > prejudices. > > But it just switches people off, and that's > counter productive, no? > > Please try and engage creatively. > > Or else post BLATHER BLATHER at the top of the > post, so I can switch off accordingly. It's counter productive to exercise my Democratic right to question a pointless and lazy exercise in social media protest? If you say so. Many of us have switched off listening to repeatitive post and thread after the other, babbling on about the virtues of signing a pretty unimaginative petition, achieving nothing, rather than looking at the reasons why people voted the way they did, and why that contributed towards these odious people being put into power in the first place. Very much after the horse has bolted mentality about the whole thing. And to add insult to injury, the denial of recognition about that very fact. Yep, I am Using my Democratic right to question the point of a social media protest, next.. care to add anything constructive? Louisa.

It's almost as hackneyed and simplistic as hearing wealthy London dwellers moaning about people from poor places using their democratic voice to vote for a political belief they find distasteful. Let's just ignore democracy shall we and sign a petition? That's going to solve everything. The only reason wealthy London 'left wing' (dubious) types are so offended by the labels is because they ring true. Louisa.

UG indeed- the biggest globalists, the most United around the status quo, the ones who love supranational structures and the control that brings. Louisa.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The thing that's making me yawn most on the EDF at > the moment Louisa is your continuous whining about > the "urban liberal elite." For heaven's sake, > you've shown many a time that you can make > thoughtful and intelligent contributions to > debate, why do you have to resort to just > recycling the same tired old trope over and over > (something which is nonsense anyway, as I've > mentioned elsewhere, your continual insistence > that Brexit is really the fault of those who voted > against it, and Trump is the fault of those who > voted for Hillary, as if the working class are > some mass of mentally defective sheep who can't be > trusted to make sensible decisions but only vote > in opposition to the great demon liberal urban > elite). > > As for petitions, the one I signed is the one on > the official government website which, having > garnered more than a million signatures, means > there has to be a debate on the issue in the > Commons. It may not be much, but it's something. > > If you want to set up a petition banning > self-styled working class heroes from dismissing > people, who are simply expressing their > well-founded disquiet about the state of the world > at present, as urban elite liberal guardianistas > (what a witty term, never heard that one before!) > then put me down for a signature. I have to say rendelharris, when it comes to 'same tired old troupe', many many of the people on here who were so outraged by Brexit and the election of Trump have found numerous ways to disengage from the fact that either of those things happened, and that it remains business as usual. It's almost like, millions of people have voted for something but actually they didn't mean to do that, and those on the losing side can now shout louder and set up petitions and that will solve everything. Let me just be flippant here, it won't. I've never said that those who voted against Brexit or Trump caused those things to happen, it's far more complex than that, as you know. I'd certainly say they contributed by not offering an alternative narrative to the right wing rhetoric which claimed to be the saviour of the working classes. You need to appreciate the frustration from the working classes, most are well informed and had their own reasons for voting the way they did, but surely if a centrist alternative were available they would have given that a go rather than turn to the right? It's just as simplistic to conclude that the working classes are actually quite extreme and prejudiced and knew exactly what they were voting for. There's an element of that perhaps, as their is also the element that many voted the way they did because they genuinely thought it would bring about positive change for them and their families. Either way, we are where we are, and a million signatures on a dubious petition isn't going to change that any time soon. Louisa.

Seabag, I think petitions tend to be set up by university students and a small clique of urban dwellers who thrive off of being seen to be outraged about things they don't necessarily understand. The UK is a parliamentary democracy, we have elections to air discontent with political elites. Any keyboard warrior can setup numerous email accounts and sign a petition in a matter of minutes and contribute towards the BBC putting up a headline that over a million people have signed a petition. What about the other 59 million (assuming every signature is one person, and that's questionable) who didn't sign a petition? If only it were so simplistic to suggest people work and want to contribute in any way they can. We don't know how many of the signatories work, nor will we ever find out. If you're going to supply cuppa soups though mine is golden vegetable with a dry cream cracker. Louisa.

Because I think it's about time we all signed another petition because they achieve so much, and put the awful world to rights. Petition, yada yada, petition. Tremendous. It's gonna be great. Yawn. Louisa.

I've not done that in years, besides, most of my threads are not about gentrification, they're just taken down that road by some people on this forum. I'm as sick of talking about it as anyone else is! Louisa.

I find this whole obsession with one leader ridiculous. We have courted some of the most dubious of world leaders for state visits in the not so distant past and very few of the 'liberal elite' even batted an eyelid. This forum was quiet, no mass hysteria. By all means hold him to account, call him up on the things he does and says, but don't set up thread after thread going over the same drivel and achieving bugger all. Its almost as offensive as the topic at hand! Louisa.

Putting the topic of the thread to one side, I agree with quids on this. We don't need a whole page of our local forum taken up with threads based on one person and how much you hate them. One thread is more than enough, admin sort this out please. Louisa.

I concede that one to you red devil it was indeed you who gifted me this new and exciting phrase. Despite the ban on blow-in, I managed to adapt "look at me" and so far it's worked relatively OK. Although I fear it's time over, and potentially could be added to the EDF bin of offence. Louisa.

Far too easy for the urban liberal elite to jump on the bandwagon here. Part of the cause of the problem. Brexit and Trump were exacerbated by the self entitled guardians of all things righteous, siting in urban ivory tower baffled as to why people don't think, feel and act the same way they do. Doesn't solve anything, just reinforces extreme views and creates more divide. Nauseating. Louisa.

Seeing as blow-in has been banned, I've found myself struggling to describe some members of our community based on their social class or food/shop preferences, with a single word or phrase. I often now say "Guardianista", or "look at me" to refer to this sub section of people lurking around ED. Louisa.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Observed this quite a lot recently, including a > couple of weeks back a guy (not particularly > young, mid-20s) on Kennington Road walking out in > front of a bluelit ambulance and forcing it to > come to a complete stop and standing in front of > it, only did a runner when the passenger went to > get out. Is it a fad? That's disgraceful, I'm genuinely outraged by this. There could have been a very sick person needing urgent treatment in that ambulance. People like this should be arrested with the he full force of the law for obstructing an emergency vehicle whilst on duty. This post has made me angry, I need to calm down. Grrrr. Louisa.