snoozequeen1

I was puzzled when sent this petition to sign from another source, because have lived a mile away for 20 years and have never heard of the place. Nor has anyone I know ever heard of it. Never seen a poster or a flyer in a local library or cafe, or a piece in any of the local papers. If they were showing films cinema, wouldn't it have been advertised somewhere at some point? If they offer complementary therapies, permaculture training, and all they other things mentioned, they could post some photos or video clips or copies of past ads to show what they've been doing? Also tried to work out where it was when I drove past the other day - have been driving past that address for years, but couldn't see anything. Just wondering if it's been getting funding all these years and who from!

Travelimo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > However, either they've all vanished from south > London, or I've found a solution - Moth Guard > spray from Lakeland. I haven't read the label, so > don't know what nasties are in it. However, one > application on the carpets (the breeding ground) > over a month ago, and I haven't seen a single moth > since...nor has my friend who also tried the > spray. Had this reply (eventually) from Lakeland: Thank you for your email. We've looked into this for you and the Moth Guard does contain chemicals (pyrethrine, piperonyllbotoxid) as well as the natural plant extracts. As always, if there's anything else we can help you with, please do let us know. You can email us at [email protected] or call our customer services team on 015394 88100. We're available 24 hours a day, seven days a week and will be happy to help. Kind regards Sue Williams Customer Services

indiepanda Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sad story, but I don't think these people are the > people who the benefit reforms are being aimed at > - it's not those with demonstrable medical > conditions they are trying to get off benefit. > Yes, it is, ip. They are going to make every person in the country who receives sickness benefit reapply for it. Let's remember this is the sickness benefit that we pay for every month through national insurance contributions which are taken by the government direct from our salaries. Yet if you get sick and try to claim on your "insurance", they will treat you like a criminal from day one, regardless of how seriously ill you may be. Their favourite trick already is to lose applications, refuse and delay until very ill and exhausted people give up in despair or are about to die anyway. Arbeit macht frei, I suppose.

Comme ca? Entente cordiale

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miket53 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The following quote is from Peter Marks, CE of > Co-Op, on their web sight. > > "For The Co-operative Group this is a > transformational deal ? cementing our position as > the UK?s premier community retailer and helping us > significantly as we lead a renaissance of The > Co-operative brand. Together, The Co-operative and > Somerfield colleagues will be better placed than > ever before to provide consumers with great > choice, value and service." > > Does anyone else find this over the top corporate > speak worrying or is it just me.. As corporate speak goes it strikes me as restrained but also as very sloppy for a key quote on their website. I reckon he needs a new PR person to write his guff for him.

Do you know how long it usually takes in an "economic downturn" before not filling vacancies turns to laying people off and cancelling contracts, consultancies, etc?

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Outside Celestial, the epicentre of trinketry and Dulwich Mumsy-timewasting (in the generic sense). Bags adorned with a mock-xray design. Look, there's a gun in the bag! How witty. How ironic. How profoundly stupid. I suppose we should just be grateful that it's not a knife, or is that coming next week?

We've been showing psychotic violence as titillation and entertainment to children since the 1970s. There are huge numbers of kids who are brought up by the TV. What they see isn't in any other context, this is their world - we all know that much of the current generation apes everything they have seen on US TV, to the extent that it has changed our language and social mores to a significant extent. Another major change that took place at exactly the same time in the early 70s was the dropping of any regular teaching, for a huge chunk of the population, about morals. I'm not religious myself but I see this: for generations children went to Sunday school every week, and they were taught boiled-down rules from thousands of years of experience: do not kill, treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, human life is sacred. We haven't done a very good job of replacing this with any secular moral horizons. All we teach them is greed, self, acquisition, aggression, appearance, money defines entirely what you are. The "in your face" aggression that people complain of is the result of the second generation brought up in this mental world, coming up to adulthood. The memory of a society with other values is fading or gone. We can hardly expect the police to solve this, can we? If you use drugs, your kids will use them too. Buying and using cocaine and then wheeler dealing to get your children into the local C of E school so they don't have to mix with the children of addicts and dealers is more than a little pathetic.

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There were quite a few racist stabbings and > murders in and around Welling when the BNP made it > their spiritual home. I think you are spot on there Taper. Not just their spiritual but their actual home of course. I am not going to reply myself directly to this character from the National Front or whatever they call themselves these days. It only encourages them. I do love his reference though, to Jewish people, who he claims are not part of "our community". That Benjamin Disraeli, diamond Scottish geezer, wuz 'e? Back in the day, 1215, firteeenf censhury, we 'ad sum luvverly pogroms. Where's the administrator when you need one? (edited due to crashing link)

jumpinjourno Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What on earth is going on and how do we tackle > this. > Stop buying cocaine Stop buying cannabis Stop buying tamazepam and modafanil (stolen from the NHS) for "recreational use" Stop tolerating the use of drugs all around us Ostracise drugs sellers and optional drug users That might help.

It would be a great place for someone to organise a clothes swap. All that lovely space going to waste, how dull is Nunhead to let that happen? I hope we don't end up with something seedy filling the void but it would serve us right, no doubt.

Apparently it's the lease that has been put up for sale by the owners, not the freehold. I don't know anything about the economics of running a pub, but would that mean that if you revived a pub, it would then become more profitable, so the owners would then want more money for the next lease? I wonder if anyone ever did pay ?100 a week to rent any of the rooms over the pub? If you needed to let them all (10 rooms?) to make the place pay it could be tough, although, wouldn't living there be bloke paradise? They might even have a dumb waiter that could haul them upstairs when the bar closes.

She's moved to the dreariest, most featureless road in the world, TM. Nothing has happened here since the last hairy-faced maniac sent bombers to hit the parallel railway line in the 1940s, and they all missed and hit the neighbours instead. Hence possibly the slight nervousness. I think Peckham Poet might be right though. Don't know if there's less traffic or if it seems that way because enough people know the policemen are there and slow down.

I have a firm and sincere belief that this must have something to do with East Dulwich and that ought to be enough

This is from a report from the recent the World Humanist Conference about Romania which seems to show why it is a good idea not to let the creationists go unchallenged? This is an EU country that apparently has now offically removed the teaching of evolution from state schools. Welcome to the Middle Ages. Don't have a link as this was emailed to me. [quote name=Among some of the bad news from Roumania that he infomed us about was an extraordinary RE text book used in state schools that he handed around at a meeting of IHEU reps. The book showed various 'sins' that children might commit. One showed children playing' date=' another staying in bed on a Sunday morning instead of going to church. The 'morals' were illustrated by comic-strip style drawings. Most horrifying was the illustration of a punishment, I think it was for failure to make the sign of the cross. What is it that will befall a sinner? - no, not hell fire and damnation, but that you will get run over by a car - and a child is shown going under the wheels of an avenging car !! By the way, Romania has officially removed the teaching of evolution from State schools. Read this blog entry by our recent speaker Stephen Law. ]

SimonM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hats were common in the 50's & early 60's I > think.....possibly even later among older men like > my grandfather who wore a suit every day even in > retirement and a hat whenever he went out. Mine too, into the 1970s. For informality, he had a tweed jacket, still with the beautifully pressed trousers. As for Mr Carnell, that idea sounds almost mad enough to be true. Did we suspect the Russians of hiding something under their hats, like small nuclear devices? I'm thinking hats generally would be a good idea to reintroduce, for one thing they could help remind people that they're not at home, but out in a public place, and due to behave accordingly. Also they would reduce stress and cardiac arrest among middle aged men who wouldn't have to be fretting about hiding the bald patch all day long.

Asset Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are a lot of very high horses galloping > about Absolutely. Black women! Born here, live here, work here, and now, they want to get their hair done. And possibly, their nails too. In ethnic beauty salons Overwhelming and outnumbering Lidl and Barclays Bank and the Post Office, that's what. Shockin.

Do you think that things would improve if we re-adopted the everyday wearing of hats, Macroban, as per all the hatted persons in your recently-posted photos? Was it the 1950s or the 1960s that saw the demise of hat wearing?

clive3300 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And yes it has those big high street stores, but > (as you quite well know) they are overwelmingly > outnumbered by stores selling stuff that few of us > would buy. most of the shops are ethinic beauty > salons, food shops and ?1 electronics etc shops. > In fact from the bottom of Rye lane to peckham rye > trainstation (a fair distance) i believe there are > about zero "normal" highstreet shops. Clive, this is why what you are saying is racist. You tell us that "normal" stores are "overwhelmingly outnumbered" by "ethnic beauty salons" that few of "us" would buy things in. "Us" ? So the people who live behind, opposite and down the road from me, being Commonwealth citizens of Afro-Caribbean descent, in one case, a stalwart of the Church of England, and in another, a magistrate, these two families both living here since the 1960s - these people are not "us". The place where they get their hair done is not "normal" and what you see when you look at Rye Lane is not Boots, Argos, Dixons, Holland and Barrett, Clarks, Superdrug, Carpetland etc, but somewhere that overwhelms you with its otherness. Because there are a few hairdressers that do black hair. Uh huh.

clive3300 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rye Lane > is mostly a very scruffy road with shops that for > the most part, the members of this forum would not > be interested in buying anything from. > >Like Holland and Barrett, the large Boots, Dixons, Woolworths, Argos, Clarks, the Nationwide and the Halifax, which are found in every high street in the land, and on Rye Lane, but not on Lordship Lane? The unique and famous lingerie shop and the gifted Chinese doctor who can solve neck and back problems with 30 seconds manipulation? I have never noticed rubbish as any worse outside these places than anywhere else in London. Yet this busy shopping street is characterised as "dangerous" and "smelly" and "stinks", leading to the repeat chorus of "I wouldn't go there"? Humbug. There is only one "smelly" bit which is where fresh food and veg is sold as per any open air market, and at the end of the day it smells exactly like Berwick St, W1, and I know where I feel more comfortable walking down, given the choice of Rye Lane and the grubby emporia of Soho. Lordship Lane can be extremely smelly by the end of the day and you can barely open a car door or negotiate the pavement in places for large bin bags, boxes and all kinds of rubbish left by shopkeepers. Pools of student vomit etc and drunks and druggies swerving into the road don't exactly add to the upbeat nature of the experience. There is one key identifiable difference between the two places, and trying to direct racism through coded abuse looks just like that and nothing else.

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Keef Wrote: To suggest that there is a > geographical divide between black and white > people, as a result of a return to 70s type racism > is a huge exaggeration at best! I'm just wondering how long it is since you have been to Rye Lane? Gradually over the years, the white faces have very nearly disappeared until now you can go into, e.g., a packed bank at lunchtime, and there will not be a single white person. There may be one or two white people on the packed pavements or perhaps one two on a bus going down Rye Lane. Look at the people waiting at the bus stops outside the old Co-op. How many are white? A racial divide has taken place here, and the reason that I read what some people post on these boards, as racism, is because Rye Lane, a now almost entirely non-white shopping street, is regularly referred to using derogatory language. You are right of course that it's not as bad as in the 1970s but if people feel they can post these kind of comments on a message board, then it's creeping back. And then there's the news today that the Mayor of London's race advisor has voiced the view that black Londoners can "go home". Doesn't help, really, does it? I was not a huge fan of Ken Livingstone but he at least had the intelligent to understand what racism is and what it does to all of us.

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Snoozequeen1, that is the second time on this > thread that you have made sweeping allegations of > racism. I know I shouldn?t but I find that > annoying. Not sweeping, specific, re: those comments of the "Rye Lane is smelly and dangerous and everything "other" and I wouldn't even ride a bus down there without an armed escort" variety. I think the very first post I ever read when I came across the EDF was one which said something like "smelly Rye Lane, with all their funny food, LOL". Which is just repetition of the anti-Asian racism that was voiced commonly in the 1970s, until someone realised that we all needed to try a bit harder and we did manage to rise above racism, in this country, to quite an extent. Rye Lane is just the next street along. It should be really strange that we have allowed this to division to happen, over the course of 20 years, so that there is now a geographical black/white divide that you can draw on the map. As for Keef asking me if I am black or white, I find it just baffling.