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Hi Admin. To reply to your points: Administrator Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hey, I did not delete your messages because you > put FS in the title. I deleted your messages > because you were bumping up your messages, > continuously. I'm clear that you did not delete them because of the 'FS' being in their title, you deleted them because they were bumped. I have no issue with this in principle if it is against the rules of the site and I have apologised in all my previous responses on this. Regardless, frequency of bumping is important here and it is worthwhile stating that whilst my items were bumped, they were bumped once within a 3-4 week period for the three in question. I could have just taken the down and reposted but I thought it sensible and more appropriate to re-use existing threads. My posts were genuine, for goods that were still for sale, and the frequency of bumping not sufficient to be classed as interfering with peoples use of the forum. The reality of what took place here is that I listed new items and bumped three threads at the same time which grouped my posts together. I could have done each one individually at different times but it seemed sensible to me to do this whilst I was on the forum - I was having a clear out and decided to move a few items on. You have taken issue with that on a personal level for whatever reason and chose not to just delete my posts, but to erase my entire history on this forum. Your anger and lack of objectivity is clear in your reply to me and the other forumite, Jeli: > I just get annoyed that people break the simple > rules. > And Jeli,if you were someone who followed the > rules then I would take your comments on board, > but I notice you're a prolific bumper upper of > your posts http://bit.ly/1qRkvNt and you like > writing for sale in capitals. Please stop it of go > and sell your stuff somewhere else. You?re reply to Jeli is needlessly aggressive. On inspection of Jeli's posts, you can see that they have done similarly to me - commented (bumped) posts that were 3-4 weeks old but that were still valid. You haven't received complaints, nor have you chosen to delete their entire posting history (and I sincerely hope you do not). Jeli, I apologise in advance if there are subsequent consequences to your posts from my comment. You also critique Jeli and I, but fail to enforce your restrictive posting principles on those threads that I have referenced above. Again, my apologies to any posters who may be impacted by my having drawn attention to this point. > Does it really matter that all your old for > sale posts have been deleted? There were a couple > of requests for recommendations but all the rest > were you selling things, it's not like I deleted > swathes of "community actively engaging with > you". I pose the similar questions to you, Admin: 1) Does it really matter if a forum member bumps a for sale post 3-4 weeks when it is still for sale? 2) Does it really matter if a forum member lists a number of items for sale at the same time when they are all genuine postings? To you, and let me be abundantly clear - you alone - apparently it does. You asked me a question: > Does it really matter that all your old for > sale posts have been deleted? It's a subjective opinion so difficult to quantify. what you can quantify though, is impact. Therefore I would like to propose to answer a different question: 3) If the answer to 1+2 is YES, what response has the correct balance of impact on the forum community: - The deletion of a complete posting history; or - A warning to be served on the member to educate them such that they do not do it again? Those posts, by your own admission, included recommendations. They therefore do impact on other forum members who come to this forum looking for reliable tradespersons recommended by forum members who provide an honest and reliable account of their experiences. You have just stripped other members of that important information. Tradespersons whom I advised I would put a recommendation up have now lost that also thus impacting on their business interests. As regards post interactions , I do believe they are important. Looking through peoples post history helps you to check their integrity on the forum if you are asking them for help or if they are asking something of you, or you them. It is as much an identity for others as it is to me. > You'll not be banned, and this thread will stay > up, it makes good discussion and I learn from > them, as can others. You reference learning, which I am impliedly reading as confirmation that you feel that deleting my entire posting history as a disproportionate response. If so, an apology would not go amiss. If not, then I fail to see where you have reflected on and learnt anything as your position and response remains consistent. I?d welcome a comment from you for clarification if this was the case. ******* In sum, the issue is clear to me as evidenced above: You removed my posts because they 'annoyed' you. You take issue with me, and others who are sympathetic to what you have done to my account, for writing 'For Sale, FS etc' or using capitals within our thread titles despite this not being a forum rule or a terms or condition of the site. But most importantly, you enforce only against those who have annoyed you as is clear with my referenced posts above. One is simply unable to interpret such conduct as anything other than objective, fair or indeed respectful of the members of a forum whom you rely on, and whom your advertisers pay for. I certainly hope there is room for you to reflect in consideration of that.

Hi Minder Thanks for the tip. I guess the only question that raises is then one repeatedly bumping their thread with new items. See Admins comment above: "...I deleted your messages because you were bumping up your messages, continuously." Admin have confirmed that my posts were for repeated bumping so I'm unclear as to whether what you are currently doing is acceptable under the site T&Cs. Admin, I'd welcome clarification on this as I am sure would Minder. Admin has also made it clear why they deleted my posts and it wasn't because of a complaint - it was very much a personal choice judging by the tone of their response. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, thanks.

Agreed, its not our site and we do not have a right to demand anything. But a forum is about the interactions between people and the community it brings about - without that, it is not a forum. My entire history has been deleted. I just find this action taken in respect of me to be completely personal, counter-intuitive, alienating and unnecessary for something so trivial that could have been easily explained away with a private PM and warning, with just those posts causing issue being deleted. I would be unhappy about it, but it would have been proportionate at least. It's worth noting that my previous history was without contention. In all the forums I am actively involved in as well as this one, never have I had complaints or action taken against me. You've not miss-understood about the FS amendments, thats exactly what has happened. I have referenced a ton of posts in the FS section which do this, none of whom have been told to 'stop it'. Just to clarify, there were no duplicated posts. Just a bump of posts that were still live from a month ago by using a reply comment. I'm aware this could be viewed as spamming if done repeatedly and frequently - this was done following a 3-4 weeks absence of comment on those ads. I appreciate opinion may differ on this point though. Thanks for your thoughts.

All these threads have been posted in the last few days with FS/For Sale at the front: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1376760 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1358242 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1358242 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1383887 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1383891 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1383893 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1379635 And these have looking back farther in history: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1381145 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1383748 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1362097 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1383515 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1382307 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?9,1383380 Not that I feel Like I've been singled out for any reason...

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?12,1383815,1383982#msg-1383982 I'd appreciate views on this please as I do feel strongly about this being an active, contributory member for almost 3 years without issue. Best, X

Good morning. Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's isn't a 'standard practice' on the forum > so far as I know. > > The primary motivation in creating and maintaining > the site is to create a community resource that > will be open to all, and create value for all in > equal measure. There is nothing in your message I disagree with concerning the culture and community aspect of this site. Indeed, I wholly support the removal and banning of spam posting. I have been member here for over 2 years and have given time to help other members and sell items without disruption. I have never received a complaint or stern message from anyone on the matter. Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you unleashed a massive wave of self-serving > ads designed to benefit or advantage yourself at > the expense of other people (for example by > boosting your own products above other people), > then clearly you have taken these principles, cast > them into the mud, ground them in with the heel of > your shoe and probably pooed on them for good > measure. > > In doing so you will have created massive offence > to all of the people who give their time freely to > help the forum work. > > It sounds to me like that is what you paid the > penalty for - and you probably should have > considered that before you went all 'me me me' > ;-) I feel that you have significantly exaggerated and drawn incorrect conclusions from what has taken place here. I had 2-3 items posted from a few months back which I still had. I also had 2-3 new items. I posted a 'bump' message on the old items and listed the new ones but which then left with them all bunched together at the top of the FS section. I don't think it is fair to categorise this as being 'me me me' and it certainly was not intended to be at the expense of others. Is there a rule about the frequency of being able to list items in the FS section? I would welcome clarification on this for the future. I didn't realise that bumping was not allowed, as I made clear above and apologised if inappropriate. I have done it in the past with no consequence. I am also mindful that when I have done this, that I don't just bump every 2-3 days. Weeks are left in between as otherwise I would wholeheartedly are this was spamming. In any event, if it's against the rules then it does not matter - I hope my apologies were sufficient and would welcome clarification on this. The point I'm making here is I'm not spamming. In fact, I had a number of PMs concerning the stuff in question - 26 PMs in total since the 23/8/2014, when I listed the goods. My listings weren't spam, they were genuine sales and clearly of interest to members. I also haven't received any complaints to date, or indeed am aware of any so would be interested to know what motivations were behind this. For the avoidance of all doubt, none of the above was done at the expense of others and I reject that in the strongest possible terms. Administrator Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why do you put "FS:" in front of your new posts? > It's the For Sale section and it's meant to be a > fair and level playing field but again you're > trying to promote yours above other peoples'. Stop > it. > > I'm going to amend the titles. My apologies if I have caused offence with the titling of my threads. I disagree that I am trying to promote mine beyond anyone else's threads with having a self-styled title. I have always done it, wherever I have posted and without complaint until now. I'm really struggling to see why I am being singled out here. I have been a part of this community for two years and never had a problem. My entire history has been wiped - not just my apparently contentious FS threads but my entire posting history. Admin - It may be your site, you may be one of a group of Admins. Either way I feel what you have done here is completely disproportionate. Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The primary motivation in creating and maintaining > the site is to create a community resource that > will be open to all, and create value for all in > equal measure. I agree with this statement although the actions taken on me are in direct contradiction to it. This site is managed under the meritocracy of Admin and the sites T&Cs. If putting up 6 FS threads and titling them as FS warrants a deletion of over 300 posts and all my previous threads at a time when the community was interested in those and active engaging with me on it positively without complaint, then there is a clear conflict with either the T&Cs or the enforcement approach. I'm not even able to defend my character by demonstrating what my previous posts have been so all that is taking place here is drawn inferences on what I might have been - a malicious, selfish spammer who offensively creates "FS:" titled threads at the expense of other members posts, creating division and discord. In any event, I suspect my name is now tarred and a banning is inevitable, alongside the deletion/amendment of this post as I have no faith it will be viewed with objectivity or fairness in hand given what has taken place to date. Having said that, I do hope you leave this message, this thread and the rest of my posts untouched going forward and let other members have an opinion on the issue (on the proviso I ensure no breach of the T&Cs I may inadvertently break of course). Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd accept it with good grace, and be grateful you're not banned. I don't accept it at all and think other members should have the opportunity to debate this, Admin allowing. If I have breached the T&Cs of this forum, then a warning notice would suffice and the articles causing the breach removed. If this was a true community website, banning is appropriate for offenders who wilfully and knowingly flout those rules following at least one warning and that ban being temporary and then escalating to permanent if repeated again, unless the offence is seriously grave. Anything else is simply disproportionate. Best, X

With respect, I think thats a touch unfair. I have lost in excess of 300 posts. I didn't bump 300 posts, just 6 or 7 max. Is that standard practice on the forum?

Hi there I'm sorry, I didn't realise this was against the terms and conditions of the site. Would you be kind enough to reinstate them, sans the bumped messages so I can at least extract the advert details and save me the job of re-writing them? Further, the deleted posts are far more than the FS threads. My entire posting history has been removed. Did you mean to do that as well? Best, X

I did but I have always done that. And this is more than my for sale threads - I have posted over 300 times. EVERYTHING has gone if you search me.

Hi there Wondering if someone can help me - I have just had literally hundreds of my posts deleted, including a number of FS threads I had just loaded up last night. I run a search on myself and I'm only referenced. Admin - are you able to help? Thanks