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I guess if the ST meant 'Cabinet Office Briefing Room A' - then the 'A' is fine. I think malumbu was making a general point that there's often confusion between the acronym COBR or COBRA and the people who meet there to take decisions. But the most important point is clearly that our government should not be even considering such things.

Isn't it simply that the word 'Committee' has got left out malumbu, and that a stray 'A' has been added to the end of COBR? The committee in question being formed of ministers (among others) who would meet in the COBR to manage army deployment to quell civil unrest in the event of No Deal? So less 'poppycock', more 'typo'? I quite agree that we will need to fully deploy 'chin up' as the weeks advance....

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i'd > optimistically hoped after the vote, we migh be > able to assess those things with a more informed > public debate, but thats never happened > unfortunately. Absolutely. In reality we could, of course, begin such a process now - after an extension to Article 50. And I'm angry that May and Corbyn are still not prioritising thoughtful discussion about the long-term direction of this country. It suits them to pretend that we have a gun held to our heads and must make rushed decisions. This has, of course, been May's tactic all along. I think it stems from the fact that she is essentially approaching the whole situation as Cameron did - ie the priority is the continued unity of the Conservative Party, and the week by week survival of her own government.

Hi TheCat. I take your point that the referendum in 2016 didn't offer us the chance to get into the detail of what the future might look like for the UK, either in or out of the EU. I was wondering if you thought, in retrospect, that it would have been useful if that process had allowed more time and space for that very thing (along with fuller debate of all the issues)? See my mention above of the 'peoples assemblies' they held in Ireland to fully dive into the contentious debate over abortion.

Hemingway. UKIP did, of course, do comparatively well in the 2015 election. But why would that result, out of interest, be of more relevance than the much better showing by the Liberal Democrats in 2010, when considering UK attitudes towards the EU? The fact that UKIP were polling better in 2015 than in the past doesn't negate the point I make that the in/out referendum of 2016 was not designed to cause a deep, thorough debate about this country's place in or out of Europe. Imagine you had actually wanted a proper, national consideration of this issue. How would you have gone about it? I'm sure you could have come up with a model which might well have included the types of public assemblies which I referenced in Ireland, and which would have grappled with the issues much more effectively than the one that Cameron picked. As to Cambridge Analytica ('etc, etc, etc!) - Doesn't it show more 'contempt for the plebs' not to abide by our own electoral rules? Doesn't that trivialise our democracy, and hence all the votes we caste, to an unforgivable degree?

Macron was quite right to say that the referendum did not 'allow for an informed, transparent and calm debate', thus leaving us open to disinformation and manipulation. This was mainly because the referendum was, of course, not called with the intention of starting such a debate but because a lazy and foolish Prime Minister couldn't be bothered to manage the internal tensions in his own party and was looking for an easy way to achieve a quiet life. I doubt we'll get them now, but I wish we could have had the 'citizen assemblies' that informed the debate over abortion rights in Ireland. We'll never see a 'Mueller' type inquiry of course, that would be too much to hope for.

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I've just sent this to Craig at the Royal Mail, copied to Helen Hayes and James McAsh Dear Craig, I received an email this morning telling me that a tracked parcel had been delivered by Royal Mail to my address. It had not been delivered to me and after checking with neighbours, and in any possible 'hiding places' at the front of the property, I established that it had not been delivered at all. Since the item was ordered via eBay I am now establishing if it is I, or the seller, who has the obligation to complete your complaints process. I am furious. I have been aware for a long time that, since the closure of the Silvester Road Delivery Office in East Dulwich, there has been a chronic problem of theft and inefficiency in our local Royal Mail service. I now consider that we can no longer rely on Royal Mail to operate in our area. Royal Mail is therefore in breach of its legal obligations. I am copying this email to Helen Hayes and James McAsh who I know are pursuing this matter.

You could ask Jacqui5254 who works for Peckham 'food cycle' (see the post about it in the Lounge).

Hi Jacqui. I've got a couple of things for you. I live in ED but happy to drop them off to you if that's easier. Do just DM me to arrange. Thanks.

pebs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > meanwhile country carry's on going to the dogs. > just great! Agreed peas. I'm afraid we're seeing what we've been seeing all along. This process is about those in power in making sure they hang on to their authority as long as possible. They don't care about anything else.

ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I suspect a friendly postie might be a good source > of information. I wouldn't discourage asking RM > Enquiries, if only for the opportunity it offereed > of expressing concern about Peckham DO. That's a good idea Ian. Thanks.

I have had a problem with a parcel posted out of LL recently not arriving. I'm now chasing that up. But post can go astray every now and then, no matter what route it's taken. I'm just trying to establish what depot post gets sent to once it's left local post offices ie LL. If it's via Peckham then I'll post elsewhere for the time being.

Re Sue's post above. I don't know how the system works. But if the Peckham office deals with the processing of mail leaving the area then I assume it would be a good idea not to post Christmas parcels from local post offices this year. Could someone who knows more about how the postal system operates confirm?

Hi Penguin I kind of wish we had the old sort of boiler right now! In such a situation that would be a blessing. But I guess we're lucky the weather is so mild.

The pressure remains low on Melbourne Grove. We're lucky enough to have water - which clearly not everybody does - but are having to prioritise its use. I've turned the boiler off altogether as it's struggling (due to lack of water pressure) to even supply the hot taps.

Still low pressure on Melbourne Grove

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We can?t draw any firm conclusions from the > pictures because we don?t know who these people > were so I can?t answer Jenny1?s question. Then why raise the issue and ask others what conclusions they drew from it?

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What conclusions can we draw from this? What conclusions do you yourself draw from this keano77. I'd be very interested to know.

Sparkler Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello > > To the discussion of the march; is there a > community group from East Dulwich going? > Thanks > Sophie Hi Sophie. There may well be an ED group going - but I don't know of one. If you'd like to join a specific group, rather than joining the march in general, the Remainiacs podcast team (well worth a listen if you don't already) are inviting people to start the march with them at 12:00 near the 'Best for Britain' stand outside the Dorchester Hotel on Park Lane.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Brexit has certainly created some strange > bedfellows. It has. I think it's also shown up how false our political parties are as entities. In an ideal world I'd like to see Labour and the Conservatives both split down the middle, if not into threes! As someone commented somewhere, one of the weaknesses of the first past the post system is that it's not down to the politicians to constantly negotiate and compromise with each other and form alliances , but it's left to the voters to deal with the weird contradictions and conflicts that their political parties constantly present them with.