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No I dont reckon Caterpillar girl- The Cure

On your bike do you stop at red lights?

she drives me crazy - Fine young cannibals

Brothers in Arms- Dire Straits

we've never been to EOTR but we have been several times to a festival on the same site in July, just called 'Larmer tree festival' So we get to experience the peacocks and general loveliness of the site, but with a different lineup (world and folk music) and lots of children's craft tents. At Larmer tree I would say about 75% of the attendees are familes with under 18s in attendance. But can you tell me, at EOTR, are there some children? Is is a bit family friendly? Is the playground open?

Excellent advice. Just threaten violence and it'll all be OK.

My Moon My Man - Feist

When Doves cry- Prince

the markets are crashing

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's an interesting one. > You know the old 'chaos theory' thing? The one > where the butterfly flaps its wings and something > happens on the other side of the world, seemingly > unrelated? > > Could it be possible that every time, say, a gay > man makes a throwaway comment labelling someone or > other as a chav, based on absolutely nothing > whatsoever; somewhere, somebody else uses the word > 'gay' to mean 'rubbish'? Actaully I think it's closer to something like Will Self's 'Quantity theory of Insanity'- in which he thinks that there's a certain amount of insanity in the world, and if one person gets a bit saner somewhere, someone else will lose it just a little bit. So There's a finite quantity of discrimination in the world, and there's always someone being discriminatory. If they stop, someone else will start. If we get the gay thing under control (which we havent and I'm basically with James on most of what he said, and I also mostly agree with Sean's last post), then everyone with longer second toes will be in the firing line. Or, it's like wearing control underwear. You can smooth down the tummy and arse but the flesh has to get shoved somewhere.

true, wembley is not a good place for a gig unless you are in the really expensive seats and then you may as well spend that sort of monsy on a night out in a poncey restaurant. But when I saw her (not on this tour though) It was pretty good. Big tours suck. I'm going to try the goose is out next time.

Will it be glitzy and hip or just a shame?

Lets dance to Joy Division - The wombats

my kids love wagamamma- they do mini noodle or rice dishes and hand out crayons

Most operate a catchment area but it shifts depending on applications each year so there are some roads that you cant be sure of. Also, if a school becomes more popular like Heber has done recently, then a road that was a safe bet two years ago may not be anymore. but for Dulwich Village maybe Glengarry rd, maybe Playfield crescent. Townley road...?

C'mon Will Dex! that's an album title! Nights in White Satin- Moody Blues

it's all over now Baby Blue- Bob Dylan

so your gay friend in the pub uses the word as a slur. I'm not going to deny that's true or say that anyone lives in a bubble. But i will say this: Just because a gay person uses the word to mean crap doesn't mean it's OK. They are just as wrong as Chris Moyles is. And you should tell them so. I imagine they think that as they are not in the company of any homophobes or children then it doesnt matter. but they are in a public place reinforcing a negative sterotype. More fool them.

there are some very interesting well thought out posts on here. And then there's Huguenot. as cdonline pointed out, it's not about economic status, but cultural and social status. this is a society where homosexuality was illegal for hundreds of years, it's only relatively recently been decriminalised. and then marginalised. and now starting to become mainstream. It's actually only 5 years since the despicable clause 28 was repealed. There have been other more positive changes, of course civil partnerships and the change to adoption and IVF laws to make things more inclusive. But this all so recent! I'm also amazed that so many people on this thread think that stonewall's report into homophobic bullying is so trivial. (I'm not entirely sure that anyone actually read the case studies) of course kids get bulllied, for many different reasons. But when that bullying is reinforced by the whole school, teachers, and in the home, and on the radio........thats when we use the word endemic. and see it as a real problem, just as racist bullying was seen, and is now dealt with (within schools at least). Here's an example for you: a young teenage boy I know thinks that the word 'gay' he uses (often in school) to describe things that are crappy and lame (that gay car, that gay jumper etc...) is not the same word 'gay' that applies to his own Auntie. Now i've explained to him that it's not a wild coincidence that the two words are the same he's thinking about it a bit more. But why didnt one of his teachers stop him before now? Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I see what you're saying James, but I may have > failed to make my point well. I'm not saying the > gay community doesn't have a hard time, and I > sympathise with your concerns. I don't want you to > feel I'm being homophobic. I'm not saying there > aren't poor gay guys, or victims of attacks. > > However, in order for the gay community to claim > discrimination (i.e. being singled out) then they > have to be disproportionately represented in the > disadvantaged groups you cover. > > - Are the gay community more or less likely to > suffer violent crime than the community as a > whole? > - Is the proportion of gay guys in senior business > roles larger or smaller than the proportion of > gays in the greater community? > - Does the gay community have higher or lower > average earnings than the national average? > - Is the gay community disproportionately > represented in residential areas of need? > > I don't know the answers to these questions, but I > have suspicions that in at least three of these > examples the gay community is actually better off > than the national average. > > If that is the case, then I'm not dismissing your > concerns, but I do feel that limited resources > would be better directed at those who are worse > off than the gay community. > > If however, the gay community is suffering genuine > disadvantage in these areas, then I'd be the first > to leap to their support. > > BTW I'm not sure that homosexuality has always > been oppressed, I understand it was considered the > height of good taste by the Romans at least?

The house of the rising sun- The animals

Examples did you say? Stonewall published a report last year into bullying and homphobia within schools- that's British schools, happening now. They found that Homophobic bullying is almost endemic in Britain's schools. Almost two thirds (65 per cent) of young lesbian, gay and bisexual pupils have experienced direct bullying. Seventy five per cent of young gay people attending faith schools have experienced homophobic bullying. They published the report on their website, you can all read the evidence and case studies here: http://www.stonewall.org.uk/education_for_all/research/1790.asp Some teachers were found to back up the bullies, some used God as their defence for telling the children in question about what is 'wrong' and what is 'right' As a result Ed Balls asked them to set up guidelines helping schools to move forward. Schools are now being encouraged to have a policy on homphobic bullying. Using 'gay' as a word for 'rubbish' and accepting it as harmless is utterly poisonous.

Ghost Town - The Specials

a town called malice- The Jam

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,154683 forum drinks thread. tonight at the duke

isnt it the forum drinks tonight? be full to the rafters with good looking affluent types