Metallic

womanofdulwich Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lets make charter, Alleyns and jags walk or cycle > to school only.😉 Let's see the coaches dumping kids off at the College.

Effra Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Our Heathy Streets is FARCE. > > The traffic along East Dulwich Grove is backing up > like never before.. Static vehicles are pumping > out pollution. > > The only way to get the Council to change their > minds is DIRECT ACTIOM. > > The best locations for protest are:- > > 1. Lordship Lane junction with EDG > > 2. Dulwich Village junction with Red Post Hill. > > Pedestrians can block these junctions very > effectively by just crossing the road continuously > or by lying down in the road. > Advance alerts to the media will bet them involved > and provide widespread coverage. > > A bit of positive action will make the Councillors > review their crazy ideas. > > To the barricades!!! School traffic, what there was of it, will be over now and so we are entering the quiet period until the beginning of September. So expect the supporters to say ' look, no traffic - it has worked!' If you are really against these closures and want to demonstrate against them, take the time to plan them properly, get people to timetable when they will stand at junctions like EDG/Dulwich Village and Woodwarde Road/Calton Avenue and ask them to do a traffic census that you can use. OneDulwich surely has enough members to be able to do this? I think that residents of all the roads on Area B and C of OHS who do not support closures are at the moment just going to be so relieved the holidays are here, that they may forget to prepare for what will be a citizen's uprising. According to a friend of mine in Burbage Road, the Councillors are already deciding what the next road to close will be, so don't forget how you felt sitting in traffic jams of furious people seeing only three cars able to turn right in to EDG from Dulwich Village - just wait until the Foundation coaches join the party. My guess is that from my road, access will be closed at the top of it, where it turns in to Eynella Rd.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My point was that....the now lovely quiet roads > are all in wealthy areas....but we all need less > pollution and less through traffic. Displacement of traffic does not mean lovely quiet roads, wherever they are.It means one road wins and another loses.Just think it through for a second and realise a road will be absorbing extra traffic in order to protect another road. Now we can all look forward to Phase 2 apparently, when my road will lead to it presumably being blocked off by the library. So both ends rubbish.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The high density housing, with no gardens on roads > with the worse traffic, families on low incomes > are suffering the worse aspects of pollution. It > must be lovely to be wealthy, living in a big > house, with a big garden and a big income...with a > lovely quiet road. I?m all for green policy, but > not to the detriment of our most vulnerable > residents. From my last post: "College Road, Dulwich Village, Burbage Road, Turney Road, East Dulwich Grove, Village Way, Pickwick Road, Woodwarde Road, and East Dulwich Grove." None of these roads are lovely quiet roads.

I went to look at the traffic jams yesterday. Not a great way to spend a couple of hours - the standing traffic existed from when I started looking at 3.35pm until well after 7 pm in Dulwich Village, according to people I rang to check. I'm a serious asthmatic and this is no joke - so pleased for Calton Avenue that they have achieved paradise at the expense of College Road, Dulwich Village, Burbage Road, Turney Road, East Dulwich Grove, Village Way, Pickwick Road, Woodwarde Road, and East Dulwich Grove. We all warned about displacement, but it has fallen on deaf ears. It was inevitable with piecemeal action. I know this is only during morning and evening rush hours but as we don't have the complication of coaches and school traffic in the amounts we will get in September, surely this is the time to make sure displacement driving doesn't continue. The interactive map you can comment on for Southwark and all of us to read, does not really help people who would like to interact with some of the commenters. I am not a OneDulwich supporter, just someone who has lived and worked in this area for many years. The lower part of my road is hell now, and the side roads off it dangerous with frustrated drivers annoyed at the closures.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The planters have gone in today and look great. > Now we need to get something done to make space > for people in ED. Whilst I support the measures in > the village, why Southwark have identified one of > the most affluent and lowest density areas as the > priority for creating more space for people is > questionable. Let's see some work done over the > border quickly please. Simple answer, it is because everyone from West Dulwich, Crystal Palace, Forest Hill, you name it, who need to go nearby, use OUR roads, pollute OUR children, block OUR access. These measures are for social distancing for the thousands of children who access all the schools, not for the affluent people who live in the area.

Flats now!!

In the perfect world for cyclists and pedestrians after the Calton Avenue/Court Lane junction is closed, cyclists can enjoy meeting all the cars on Calton Avenue that will funnel off up roads like Dekker road, Druce Road, and Dovercourt Road. Not closing the other end of Calton Avenue too, which it seems from the excuse of the closures already announced, would at least have done the job. I am not a member of One Dulwich or any campaign group - I can just see the stupidity of this solo closure.

The problem with all these comments is that we don't know who is making them - and this is an important issue not just a thread about the best butcher or something similar.

At the protest meeting about the charges being introduced, everyone there was guilt-tripped. Southwark need the money to keep basic services open, and they quoted a nursery that would have to close if they didn't raise the ?200,000 they are expecting. Frankly it is unfair on everyone. Park users, families, everyone. And now College Road is over-parked and it makes it a narrow road for vehicles passing each other.

Super Sleuth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Walked through the park Sunday afternoon and > counted 10 cars with parking tickets! And several > shocked car owners returning to their vehicles to > find unexpected tickets under the windscreen > wiper!! > > Also noticed the Dulwich Park 'Old College Gate' > entrance on College Road has an outward facing > Park Information board welcoming visitors and > advising next to a big blue P icon "Free Parking > in Marked Bays Only". No mention anywhere of the > newly introduced ?2 an hour charge!! > > Come on Southwark - if you're going to introduce a > tax on park users, at least make it clear to > drivers entering the park that parking charges now > apply!! You cannot miss the signs, or the date the charges began. No excuses.

Zig-Zag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One car parked there today between 4.00 and > 5.00ish. I know it was wet and a weekday but I > walk to and round the park several times a week > and have never seen only 1 car. No idea if people > are parking elsewhere or avoiding the park > altogether. It would be good to remind visitors there is a 5mph speed limit at the same time! No one keeps to it. It is dangerous when there are small children and dogs here and there.

I've just popped by from time to time and there are hardly any cars parked there - most are on College Road.

kiera Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've always understood that, historically, the > residents of Dulwich Village resisted the > introduction of public transport into the Village > & that that is why they only have one little > single decker bus. Incorrect. It was the Estate - but the P4 has been going for years - at one time you just stuck your hand out and it would stop. It is heavily used and should be more frequent.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Which by my reckoning would add at least an > additional 1.5 miles to a 3 mile journey...so a > 50% increase in pollution by an increased journey > length. Then factor in the number of additional > cars also making that journey because of the > closure of DV to through-traffic (remember the > council reckons there are 7000 cars going through > there a day) and the A205 and other roads become > more choked with traffic and so the cars spend > more time in high pollution idling mode stuck in > traffic.... > > Do you see the issue here....the problem here is > Nimbyism....all the council is going to do is move > the problem from one area to another and create > more problems than there were originally...? > > And some may say that people will stop using their > cars...well maybe 10% might but even then there's > still a lot of through traffic to contend with > elsewhere (6,000+ a day) and by looking at the > council's own numbers a tiny number of cycles use > that junction despite the alterations made to it > which may suggest that it isn't a route cyclists > want or need to take. > > Just speak to anyone in Lambeth who lived through > the Loughborough Junction debacle for a real-life > case-study of what will happen. The impact was so > catastrophic (in terms of congestion and > pollution) to the surrounding areas that Lambeth > had to reverse their plans. The Council's own figures show 14,000 cars per day using Dulwich Village.

I think the councillors for Dulwich Village Ward might just (!) have mentioned this Ruskin Walk plan when they were meeting people who actually live in the Ward and who are facing turmoil if the OHS is implemented without a trial - not a word about it, even to Holmdene residents who are mostly impacted.

wulfhound Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > An interesting idea which would considerably > ease poolution and congestion through Dulwich > Village. The other foundation schools could > organise walking groups from there to Alleyns and > JAGS. > > > It's rather a long way on foot for kids who > already have a very early start (no, mine don't go > to any of those schools). I'm all in favour of > active travel especially for children! But adding > 30+ minutes walk each way for schools with an 8:30 > start, bearing in mind some of them will be on the > coach for 45+ minutes before that, is a bit > harsh. > > It might make more sense for coaches to drop off > on Gallery Road near the roundabout, turn around > and go back to the South Circular via College > Road. That's equidistant from DC and JAGS, more or > less, and a more reasonable distance to expect > kids with school bags to walk at 8:15am on a dark > January morning. NO!!! That will make it worse for anyone who lives on College Road or Dulwich Village. The pick ups would be a complete no-no, this is a conservation area and not a coach park - you do know they park ALL DAY in Gallery Road already?

exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hunts Slip Road is a private road owned by the > Dulwich Estate. As most of Dulwich is likely to be > closed off I reckon there could be a way of > allowing coaches out at the railway bridge just > like all the restrictions planned for Dulwich > area. So allow coaches to get on from Alleyn Park > and not cars - and then they could park all day. > Stop all these people using it as a car park too. > > The railway bridge has a 7.5T weight limit and two > width restrictions on it, it's also had one side > built out precisely to avoid heavy vehicles using > it. It got severely damaged many years ago by a > truck hitting the sides. > > The coaches delivering to schools are 12T plus. > Chances of coaches using / being allowed to use > Hunts Slip Road is ZERO, it's not an idea that is > even going to be entertained. OK, then College Road. Or - shock horror - make them come on public transport apart from the younger ones who could have minibuses. I'm sick of having all the aggro outside my door - coaches, pollution and parents with one kid in their car whilst they do a drop off.

exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > EDBoy Wrote: > > Metallic's idea of using > > Hunts Slip Road as actually quite good and > might > > be worth investigating. > > > > Hunt's Slip is too narrow because of the double > parking (Dulwich College 6th formers...) and > there's also a width restriction just before the > railway bridge so it's a cul-de-sac for coaches. > There's not enough room to 3-point turn them > there. The pavements were widened a while ago - it > used to be a right racetrack that road cos it was > so wide and straight. > > Google Streetview > > a,75y,57.47h,75.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sj8NUdzF5Hw > wJxMcSi-CL4A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpa > noid%3Dj8NUdzF5HwwJxMcSi-CL4A%26output%3Dthumbnail > %26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w > %3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D142.0931%26pitch%3D0%26th > umbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 Hunts Slip Road is a private road owned by the Dulwich Estate. As most of Dulwich is likely to be closed off I reckon there could be a way of allowing coaches out at the railway bridge just like all the restrictions planned for Dulwich area. So allow coaches to get on from Alleyn Park and not cars - and then they could park all day. Stop all these people using it as a car park too.

I just wish all coaches offloaded at Dulwich College and then use Hunts Slip Road for a coach park if the drivers can't be bothered to go back to their depots. Freeing every road up from at least one huge chunk of pollution.

bels123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Suggest reading the documents Rockets before > predicting catastrophe. > > This is phase 3 of the consultation, feeding back > the solutions the local community chose to address > the hotspots they identified. Not a top-down > proposal being pushed by Southwark, they have > learned from the past thankfully. > > Traffic flows are all in there. Except it is not clear how they obtained the 'destination' figures. They certainly didn't stop every driver as they approached this area to ask: where are you going? Yet they seem to know how many people drive through who are onward travellers.......

slarti b Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > exdulwicher Wrote: > > > Public transport runs as normal. P4 still goes > through the village; 37 can still get from Goose > > Green up ED Grove and past ND station; the 176 > 185 etc are unaffected on LL and the 12 can still > > wind its tortuous way through the back streets > of Peckham to the library. > > ... > > Also if there's less traffic overall, bus times > become much more reliable. > > I dont think you have considered the knock on > effects of the proposals. > > EDG and, especially, LL will end up with far more > traffic. This will delay the 185\176\42, all > highly important North South bus routes,along LL. > More traffic on EDG will make the already erratic > 37 even less reliable. The P4 is the only route > likely to benefit. > > A scheme that displaces traffic and worsens public > transport will not benefit wide public health. And it is only during certain hours, not 24/7. Although the longer evening traffic levels suggest that there should be more attention to be paid to this. The pollution levels are just as high long in to the evening.

Have been talking to a few people who think the whole Our Healthy Streets plan, which will be expensive, should be subsidised some how by Dulwich College, Alleyn's and JAGS - they are the ones that bring the traffic in, and the parking, and it is easy to prove this - look at the streets during the school holidays (all) and after registration time in the mornings - calm rules. People like me with a youngish family do not want our children breathing in any fumes but more importantly, all these schools bring in traffic that clogs the roads and with many people who park and go once their kids are dropped off, which makes cycling and walking more hazardous for our local children. I saw some photos on twitter from Mumsforlungs contrasting Calton Avenue in term time and holidays. Why should our area be a car park for people who have no residential connection with the area? The schools should not be giving permission to sixth formers to come to school in cars.

That must be the first positive post the Surgery has received for over 20 years. It is an awful practice.

Be prepared for body searches. (Not really) The Rembrandt exhibition will be re-opening as well.