*Bob*

Farage. What does he do? He doesn't design or make anything. He doesn't build anything. He doesn't grow anything. He doesn't offer a service. He doesn't fix anything, or indeed even offer any advice as to how a thing might be fixed. He spends fifteen years stamping on something - until it breaks. And then he buggers off, leaving everyone else to clear the shit up. If that's someone who deserves some sort of 'due', well.. I'm out.

What about the DILFs? Equal perving opportunity for all.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If I were in Cathy Newman's shoes Now that is creepy

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't get my head round his role in the Remain > campaign - have yet to draw a conclusion on his > reticence to get on board. I think there can only be one conclusion. He was unable to reconcile his own personal conflicts on the matter and come out effectively on one side and LEAD - for a greater good. A greater good that - bizarrely - his most vocal supporters are now 'devastastated' (Facebook language) about. That's what being a leader is - showing leadership - when it actually matters. Instead, he put a lampshade on his head and stood in the corner until it all went away.

Jeremy's supporters have an undeniable zeal but at the end of the day they don't get an extra vote for enthusiasm. And for every one of them shouting on the street there are at least two sitting quietly at home who will never give him their vote. I don't even think he, or even a great many of his supporters care if he can win or not. They're the latest in the long tradition of that uncompromising element of Labour left for whom 'the glorious failure' is enough of a victory.

Jeremy seems to have misunderstood the nature of a yes/no referendum. There was no box to stay '70% in'.

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > However, I do think it's a bit harsh criticising > him for his referendum stance. Yes, I agree he > ought to have campaigned harder for his party line > (having agreed to the party line). You are being very, very generous there!

All this ?he was only 70% in favour so it?s ok he was lukewarm on the EU? is ridiculous. The vote was a binary choice. If you?re 70% favour of something and the choice is binary, you do the right thing, get your thumb out of your ass and campaign for a yes like it means something. He hid on the EU vote. He hides on climate change. There will be more. His main preoccupation is to go from rally to rally preaching to the converted and avoiding anyone who might ask him any difficult questions or stray into any area of policy where he feels he is not on safe ground. How will this approach work in the Top Job, when that job largely consists of facing-up to and engaging with people who don?t agree with you and ask you difficult questions? It won?t. I don?t deny his grassroots legitimacy, but you simply cannot lead a party without the majority support of the parliamentary MPs - who, guess what - also have legitimacy, elected by their constituents. And from up and down the country - not just a metropolitan clique as Corbynistas would have us believe. So Jeremy sticks it out, gets elected again, the party officially divides: I think that?s where we should be headed. The only thing left to decide is which side gets to keep the name ?Labour?.

IMO he's rather more slippery than his supporters are prepared to admit (for Lo! they are blinded by His Light) - but it's a different sort of slippery to what people are used to, so it's going under the radar. New kind of politics = new kind of slippery.

rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Was this not Adolph Hitler's plan? 'Yes' - if you leave out the desire to achieve it by way of the largest global conflict and associated genocide yet to engulf mankind. (By which I mean.. 'no')

Is this an unfinished 'Eastenders' script?

My Gran was basically a Nazi - but we never let it get it the way of a nice Christmas.

Victory! "Speech! Speech!.."

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hey..we all ought to be on the same > side..Remainers & Leavers ...to get this resolved If there's one thing this shambolic referendum debacle should have taught everyone, it's that language and presentation have power and consequence. Everyone on both sides has spent the last x weeks throwing verbal petrol over each other (though strangely only imagining their own petrol to be harmless and in the best interest, not like the nasty vile stuff coming the other way.) I guess this was kind of what I was thinking, not just being a pedant.

Yep, let's go with histrionic comparison. Because God knows we need more of those right now.

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apologies if you couldn't quite understand a > metaphor... Apologies if you don't understand the definition of a metaphor and how to use one.

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- ...the same awe > & shock as if an hydrogen bomb went off in central > London Let's not get too silly, there's enough of that around already.

Pick of the day pour moi: contemporary-dance-luvvies-with-a-dash-of-children's-television-presenter Christine and the Queens. Loved it. Amazing performance.

Foxit

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When it comes to the EDF Referendum Poll. > Did people Vote for what they wanted or what they > thought would be the outcome. > In either case 81% of EDF pollsters got it wrong. > Comparing East Dulwich with any single part of > the U.K. is of course silly.. Sometimes it's much easier, simpler and altogether more dignified to just say 'sorry, I was talking bollocks' rather than construct some artificial and daft reason why it's juuuust theoretically possible you might not have been.

We now get to witness some people who accidentally won and are now woefully out of their depth - like rabbits in the headlights. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

We've taken back control - and put it straight into the hands of someone who seeks power for power's sake. That's a big price to pay for stickin' it to the man and a few days of gloating.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well star-bob-star Everything you do not agree > with is B*****ks to you. ??! What are you expecting? Southwarks voters to be 'in touch' with Sunderland - or vice versa? You make no sense, but then again that's not unusual.

In fact - it's not bizarre, it's just bollocks.

Bizarre comment Foxy - it's in touch with the area we live in. 72% to remain, not far off?