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People can support whoever they like, it makes no odds to me. But if you support a team from somewhere different to where you grew up/family were or are then I do think you miss out on a lot of what supporting a team and going to the match is all about. Different areas have different mentalities due to the history and circumstances of that particular area. Your average Arsenal fan previously was different to your average Liverpool fan because London and Liverpool are different...socially, economically etc. Personally, the actual football is only a part of going to the match and supporting a team. It's more about the whole experience, and for it to be 100% you have to know the area and the banter. For example, someone from Essex probably doesn't even understand thick scouse, nevermind know why something someone says is funny. But the premiership era has changed it all quite a lot anyway. With football being on the telly much more, it is much easier for people to have a passing interest in it all. It's almost too easy to follow a team now. But each to their own I guess. It's like anything, people get out of it what they want and it is a personal thing.

I wonder if younger people do find it as funny now as we used to when we were younger. ie that it is us that has changed, not the comedy.

Tastiest bread and best place for a gift my ar*e If all these things are worthy of an "award" then my suggestions are Best Bookies Best Fruit Machine Best Jamaican Patty

To be fair if you go week in week out, home and away and live hundreds of miles from your home ground, and spend thousands doing it, it does give you the right to banter at those that don't go, irrespective of circumstances. Regarding todays news, couldn't happen to a nicer bloke in Ince, by most accounts. ;-)

> OR > > 3. Buy gold if you really can't stop worrying ..and if you really really really can't stop worrying, buy tins of food. And a gun.

If it is all the money you have I would have thought it probably is wiser to choose something with instant access? Just in case you need it for something unforeseen. The difference of a percentage point or so would only be ?30 or so over the year.

It seems strange for them to pay for the sky and setanta subscription, buy a big screen and then not play it properly. It almost needs two rooms..the front which is the restauranty bit and a comfier back telly room. Then it could be a 3-in-1 type place as per the opening poster says. It's big enough to be able to do that. That and more artwork/stuff in it. The MOR music doesn't half echo off the bare walls in there.

Sorry it was in response to the opening post

I wouldn't class the Montpelier as a good large screen pub for sport....they don't even play the sound

Mr Logic Billy Quiz Spoilt Bastard And some of the more obscure.. Zipp O Lightning Balsa Boy Topless Motorcycle Nun Mickey's miniature grandpa Can remember having to go to a specific newsagent to get it as it wasn't sold generally.

It clogs up just as much if people do the 200 yard cut through detour through Relf Road and then back onto Rye Lane. In fact probably more as they then have to rejoin the road, rather than just trundling along. If a red light causes problems, then just extend the green light? Don't get me wrong, it is a busy road. I just don't see how making people leave the road and rejoin it later helps.

When the light goes red where? Further up near the Rye?

The part after the turn off isn't even as busy as the bit before the turning. Personally I can't even see the reason for the turnoff. I don't reckon cars going down that bit would any more unsafe or cause congestion. It seems crazy diverting cars into smaller backroads rather than using the straight main road.

There seems to be the same argument in all these types of threads..Huguenot and his zero tolerance against others who think there should be a bit of discretion, and can see the harshness of some of fines etc. I have driven for nearly 20 years. I have never had a crash, and never even had a ticket until inadvertantly going down that road, so my opinion is that it isn't that clear. Rye Lane is a pretty manic road in terms of signs, shops, deliveries, one way systems, bus lanes, road closures at certain times etc. Plus as others say this turn off for cars isn't for safety anyway, it is for traffic calming measures, so quoting safety figures is irrelevant. I also agree with the madness of the maze of one way streets near Oglander too...I just seem to go round and round only to end up back on Bellenden Road, and I live here. But Huguenot believes that there are never any errors in town planning and/or policing, ever. They know best. Do as they say and not as they do etc.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > buy in Septemberish next year A 2 year crash would be ultra quick, these things usually take a bit longer than that. Most now talk of another 20% off next year too so September may be way too soon to see the bottom. (Can you believe people are actually talking of 20% off - unthinkable a very short time ago) Japan's house price slump lasted 15 years for example. Although the speed of this crash has been pretty quick so far, so who knows. -2.6% MOM released yesterday. That's huge. Expect worse the next few months as the "good" months get knocked off the beginning of the range they use to analyse it. Now rumours of calls for printing money...certain failure that. Anything they are doing now is only deferring (and therefore increasing) the problem. ..and yet most houses I monitor for sale in ED haven't decreased their price at all. Even if they have been on the market over 3 months.

If you believe that every single law should be enforced at every single opportunity without any discretion, or that the police never make any mistakes on an individual level in enforcing all these laws, then you really will get the services and the nation you deserve. Life isn't black and white, merely different shades of grey. DaveR is merely stating that some discretion should be allowed in differing circumstances. Not every crime classified on paper deserves the same punishment. It's not weasely, it is just common sense. The discussion seems to be going round in circles..so I'm going to leave it by pointing you to the video of the pcso officers riding on the pavement.

Seeing as though we are throwing around estimations I'll go for a bottom of 60-70% off peak in real terms. Before you all think this is insanity, this would in most cases get us back to about a 1999 level in real terms. Not too long ago folks! What goes up must come down.

RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > what on earth did you do with an AK47? Anything he wanted. Bdum tish.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Whoop de doo. You appear to be confusing prejudice > with logic > > PCSO's can multitask and look out for not just > cyclists but your litter droppers as well (plus > whatever other low-level stuff is going on) - in > the short term it has an effect and in the longer > term it might even change people perception about > the acceptability of dropping the f****ing litter > in the first place. Then we won't need to pay for > streetcleaners > > Bargain, no? Whoop de doo. Bargain? No. You appear to be confusing opinion with common sense. Your PCSOs have to actually see the person committing the "crime". The chances of this are pretty small, they spend most of the day walking round doing nothing because most of the time people aren't committing any crime. My streetcleaners "work" much more productively as they can deal with the consequence of the crime at any time after it occurred. Plus, people who drop litter will continue to drop litter, even if they are fined once. People still speed despite all the cameras around. They just speed in areas without cameras. If you gave the PCSOs some brushes they could multitask by cleaning the streets too. Best idea, no?

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So who do you want dealing with the low level > crime and stuff? I would like to live somewhere > that people didn't treat as a rubbish bin (re: > litter) for example. Do countries with low levels > of litter have every serious criminal behind bars? > Or shall we just let things go to pot until the > (unattainable) day when every criminal is behind > bars? Well in your example I would rather pay for 5 streetcleaners than 3 people to give tickets to cyclists. I don't believe riding on the pavement in general is a "crime" worth bothering about at all.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thats 15-20% off current asking prices - which are > already 15% lower than last year (apparently). I > did say long term bargain. You'll find that many sellers are still "holding on" to their original estimate. I would think there is a gulf of about 30% between seller estimation and actual value in some cases.

Actual sale prices on the whole have already moved past 15-20% off asking price, so it wouldn't be much of a bargain. In fact, it would probably be overpaying at today's prices alone, and that is not even factoring in the consensus view on next year. But hey you know what they say about opinions...

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Steve - how do you know they aren't dealing with > more important stuff as well? If they have > prevented a more serious crime, say a burglary, > the perp is unlikely to come on a place like this > and say: > > "Hi I'm new here but I wondered what you guys > think. I was minding my own business just doing a > job like, when these plastic police came over and > gave it the large one.... have any other innocent > burglars in the area been hassled by these > do-gooders? It's PC gone mad it is... " Even if they had dealt with 90% of the burglaries etc, which I doubt they have, they should still be dealing with the other 10% rather than this type of "crime" Unless you are suggesting that they had finished all the other crime in London and were now getting down to this lower level stuff?? To be honest I could think of a whole list of stuff I would rather have them doing rather than ticketing cyclists.

They should give it to anyone willing to do it up, with the stipulation that they can't then sell it, they own it for their life and then give the title back. It might become economically viable then to restore it, and would be done for the love and not the money.

I was looking the other day while walking down Rye Lane and some of the buildings are great. The train station is cool too, if you strip away the other bits hiding it. There were a few old photos up at the checkouts in Morrisons too which showed how it was. The architecture on Rye Lane really is wasted on the those that care less about things like that. This has reminded me to make a trip to Manze's for some pie and mash. Forget grabbing a wrap and a cappucino in Starbuck's with your kids, take them down to get pie and mash and show them some history.