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Lol yeah, it didn't seem right in the end ;) Am actually all for ULEZ - it might at least improve the air quality on South Circular, even if only slightly. I used to worry about climate change: mindful of recycling, using your own mug for take away coffee, reusable bags, buying locally etc. All of this changed with the introduction of LTN - seems as the only thing that matters is what citizens of certain roads want and how this benefits the Southwark council. Why should I care?

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Agree - sad, dangerous and harmful (=LTN) I live on a main road and I'm directily affected by the LTN - what does it take for pro LTN commando to realise this is a real problem - people dying? This confirms that LTNs are a purely left wing ideological imposition that is intrinsically authoritarian. Lots of proponents have argued against that idea (pretending there is some green benfit, mostly) but you have showed your hand here with this outburst.

Agree

Free public transport in Montpelier https://www.euronews.com/travel/2023/02/16/this-european-city-is-making-public-transport-free-for-citizens-from-december?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1MJmWgPXVnKsREzcCBeoWbkTdZSHtiVSWmpTVgG7h1COPIQYB-4rVee14#Echobox=1676561258

One Dulwich Campaign Update | 2 Feb 1. Dulwich Village junction update The closure of Turney Road We hear that Phase 3 of Dulwich Village Streets for People – a consultation on the final design for the Dulwich Village junction – will start early this month and run for 4 – 6 weeks. Phase 2 of the scheme put forward the surprise proposal to close Turney Road. The Council received complaints from One Dulwich – and from many of you – about the inadequate consultation process, and a letter (see the Telegraph piece) signed by more than 600 local people questioning its legality. So far the Council’s response has been underwhelming, with objectors being asked to wait for Phase 3. Plea from Blue Badge holders rejected A group of Blue Badge holders wrote an open letter to the Leader of the Council on 27 November asking to be allowed access through the Dulwich Village junction. This was finally answered by Matt Clubb, Southwark’s director of environment, on 23 December. He says that the Council is not now considering access for this vulnerable group, because the junction is complex and it would be to the detriment of other protected characteristic groups and cyclists. No explanation is provided as to why all these groups cannot be safely accommodated, as they are at the similarly complex Townley Road/East Dulwich Grove junction and at other junctions throughout the UK. See the email exchange on our website www.onedulwich.uk. The issue of access for Blue Badge holders at the junction has received wide coverage, both in local and national newspapers (including the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail). As we saw outlined in the December 2021 decision (see point 47 in the Council’s report), Southwark recognises that people who are car-dependent because of their disabilities need the Council’s help but has so far decided to ignore them. Traffic light confusion Meanwhile, traffic lights at the junction continue to cause confusion and concern (see the Southwark News piece here). Lights on the Turney Road side of the junction show green for pedestrians and cyclists at the same time, while the new signalised crossing on Calton Avenue gives pedestrians just ten seconds to cross, including a five-second countdown – clearly inadequate for small children and those in wheelchairs. 2. Croxted Road congestion ignored Because of the displacement of traffic from the Dulwich LTNs, children walking to school on Croxted Road continue to breathe in high levels of pollution. See @AirCroxted’s regular photos on Twitter – heading for Day 600, and their calls for help are still being ignored.

Latest news on temporarily closed Dulwich Village junction. https://southwarknews.co.uk/news/transport/dulwich-village-junction-cycle-lights-flash-green-and-red-simultaneously-claims-furious-local-group/?fbclid=IwAR2NCjRXefH8sM6CzNLUFrYacj6UW98HUT3cnXoA2bmSdB3zPibPRqdwn0g

The traffic on South Circular has been truly epic througout the day - I really miss ordinary rush hours

hpsaucey and the muliple personalities are back :)

first world problems of east dulwich

I sincerely hope the legal challenge succeeds and the ltns are removed from Dulwich roads. Enough of individuals like Rose bulling everyone to accept this ridiculous idea. She care to say ‘no apology for keeping young children ‘as safe as possible’ - what about children living / walking / waiting on buses on Lordship Lane / Croxted / EDG, South Circular etc. ? In what kind of parallel universe Rose and her chums live in ?? The hypocrisy of it ! https://southwarknews.co.uk/news/transport/dulwich-residents-threaten-council-with-legal-action-over-ltn/?fbclid=IwAR1NvLxSUNNcnN8GjX1VvoLaYjfqYVPgWO8ZjKH0V8CGpeLPugCTbzPWc0o

And if the fairy tales about the reduced traffic were true, why do I see more cars in front of my home and not fewer?

Agree Rockets - I will never ever cycle in London, even tough I do outside of it. Miles and miles have been wasted on cycle lanes - it really shows after covid - cycle lanes empty all day long, squeezing cars and buses into reduced space. LTN is an ideology and a very harmful one. Just look at the Underhill & South Circular junction today - Thames water dig out another hole near Esso petrol station in Forest Hill and the junction is absolutely and completely jammed - and even more so because of the Lewisham and Southwark ltns!

I live on LL which has seen a massive increase in traffic since the road closures - so called ltn. It has made the traffic here much worst. More air pollution, more cars, more noise, much worst living conditions for the residents and ZERO enviromental benefits - on the contrary, idling traffic is making the pollution even worst. What a great idea - push your crap to your neighbours garden and pretend the problem is solved.

Yeah, because mother cannot be disabled https://southwarknews.co.uk/news/transport/dulwich-village-ltn-southwark-council-hits-back-at-blue-badge-holders/?fbclid=IwAR1sWGi-shPAw-FQC_Ljlso-IU6Y4Sh-AEP3mcczXAusX68fEBS5mg-r_8c

The money is wasted on vanity projects like LTN in East Dulwich, to keep already quiet and wealthy roads like Court Lane traffic free, so the residents there can feel like they live in a village (how lovely) and yet there is not enough money to keep the community centers going. https://southwarknews.co.uk/news/community/driving-hope-for-christmas-bermondsey-day-centre-needs-a-minibus-or-faces-closure/?fbclid=IwAR2AF2-04jRHgbXWBCxQL09vHZQDFctFZ7EVTgA1AkeW_PMOaxVKwBNZ9aw

All of this is pure Monty Python. The trains are very expensive and getting more so every year, they are completely unreliable, the infrastructure is old and has not been upgraded in years. Private train companies only care about profits and paying their shareholders. The bus routes are changed for the worst, cut or scrapped altogether. Number of people cycling is minuscule and yet big chunks of roads have been turned into cycling lanes which are empty 90% of time. Nothing has been done for pedestrians, well, apart from ebikes and escooters scattered around on pavements, making walking even more difficult. And LTN, mostly applied to wealthy / better off streets, forcing the congestion to the neighbouring roads and choking its residents. How on earth all of this is going to make anything better?

Despicable https://southwarknews.co.uk/news/transport/elderly-and-disabled-left-isolated-by-the-dulwich-village-junction-write-letter-to-council-leader/

Local councillor says public meeting did not “enhance consultation” A Southwark News report on the November meeting set up by five local residents’ associations to discuss the surprise closure of Turney Road quotes Cllr Margy Newens – who didn’t attend – as saying, “A meeting organised by a particular interest group at this stage is not a forum where everyone can contribute to the discussion equally and, as such, does not enhance the process of consultation.” It’s a shame that local councillors themselves didn’t get round to organising a public meeting where residents and businesses could express their views. Council leader dismisses Blue Badge petition A petition signed by more than 600 people to allow Blue Badge holders through the re-designed Dulwich Village junction was heard at the Council’s cabinet meeting on 6 December. See the YouTube recording here (it begins at 28 minutes in, and lasts for 20 minutes). Cllr Rose’s table-thumping response begins at 36:00, and reaches its extraordinary climax at 44:45. Separately, Blue Badge holders have written to Leader of the Council Cllr Kieron Williams, pleading to be allowed access through the Dulwich Village junction. This follows a failure by the Council to hold meetings with Blue Badge holders to carry out a survey of their needs. So far no response has been received. The vital discussion about exemptions through LTNs for Blue Badge holders is going on in other areas of London too. See a Twitter thread from a Haringey Labour councillor, explaining why access for Blue Badge holders is so important, here. No response from MP Helen Hayes As we said in our last campaign update, we wrote to our local MP Helen Hayes on 22 November, following MP Andy Carter’s adjournment debate in the House of Commons, asking her to represent and champion her constituents’ needs, not just raise their concerns, at a national level. So far we have received no response. At one point in our update, we referred to Richard Holden MP, parliamentary under-secretary of state for roads and transport, as Robert Holden. Thanks to those of you who alerted us to our mistake.

Ex-Dulwicher: Hear hear, how about the junction of LL / South Circular and Sydenham Hill? And where does pedestrians come in to it? Or disabled? Sorry Ex- I was forgetting the first rule of active travel - do nothing that even slightly inconveniences cyclists and build everything around their, and only their, specific needs.....

"Do we need to talk about the relative danger of cars vs bikes and how having vehicles driving through what is supposed to be a car free area is dangerous." How about the very real danger of cyclists vs pedestrians and how having cyclists through what is supposed to be a pedestrian free area dangerous? Am walking from East Dulwich to Forest Hill train station often and then- Southern trains permitting - from London Bridge to St Thomas'. Not a single day goes by without a cyclist trying to run me over - nine out of ten cyclists do not understand what red / green lights mean! I really would like to see people passing exams in order to get their cycle licence and a requirement for an ID in order to be able to cycle!!

"measures to prevent the illegal and dangerous driving, automatic bollards, emergency service gates" - and all of this within a couple of streets in Dulwich Village. All the money, time and efforts spend on accommodating demands of a bunch of people who live in a bubble. How about South Circular? What is the plan to reduce number of vehicles there? And EDG or Croxted? When will "the measures to prevent the illegal and dangerous driving, automatic bollards, emergency service gates" be introduced? Oh the first world problems of Dulwich Village.. Not to mention there is no such thing as "Dulwich Square" - there is only closed Dulwich Village junction - and temporarily closed I hope.

Where is Leemings, Margy, Rose, Simmonds, Khan, Heyes? Where are they? What did they say about the quality of air on LL, Croxted, South Circular, Underhill, Melford etc etc etc and how to make it better? I want to see the plan, a step by step plan and the timeline. Can anyone provide it? And going back to what I said: when are the toilets in Dulwich park going to be refurbished? When will Dulwich Library have new computers? How can the money be spent on vanity, harmful projects like LTN which benefit privileged citizens mostly and yet there is none to provide hot water in the Dulwich park toilet? And at the same time, Leemings & Margy are asking for donations so they can have Xmas tree on (temporarily) closed Dulwich Village junction, To say these people have no shame is a gross understatement!

Every single resident who lives on Lordship Lane, Croxted Rd, EDG, South Circular, Underhill Rd, Crystal Palace Rd, Melford etc. etc. etc. and so on is affected by an increased traffic, increase in air pollution, increased noise caused by so called low (?) traffic (?) neighborhood (?) courtesy of cycling lobby and Southwark labour councilors. And Southwark cllrs bulling TfL staff - what about that? Was trying to find anything in The Guardian but no mention- they stick to pro LTN Peter Walker propaganda and ignore everyone else ( the majority). https://southwarknews.co.uk/news/transport/tfl-staff-left-upset-and-in-tears-by-abusive-southwark-council-staff-in-meeting-about-dulwich-village-ltn/ Is the "local resident who is also a solicitor" the failed Tory candidate in the recent local elections and who practices a completely different type of law?

ULEZ is to cover all of London which I'm happy about.. Sadiq Khans said that ""(...) there is still far too much toxic air pollution permanently damaging the health of young Londoners and leading to thousands of early deaths every year, with the greatest number of deaths in the outer London boroughs." and he also said this: “The latest evidence shows that air pollution is making us sick from cradle to the grave. Londoners are developing life-changing illnesses such as cancer, lung disease, dementia and asthma. And it’s especially dangerous for children.” Dulwich labour councillours (especially DV LTN obsessed Leemings and Margy) and MP Helen Hayes who were too busy to attend the local meeting: what do you say to this? How does what Khan says tally up with LTN? Which means pushing more traffic into already dirty and polluted roads like Croxted, EDG, LL, South Circular where many poorer residents live - what do you say? Why were you not at the meeting to say how great LTN is and how it makes the quality of air better for EVERYONE? It doesn't? What a surprise. On many occasions we asked the local councillors Andy Simmonds and Catherine Rose (the Invisible) to tell us how the labour are planning to improve air quality on Lordship Lane and South Circular - we received no response. Toilets in Dulwich Park are awful, dirty and there is no hot water to wash hands. It takes for ever to log in to a computer in Dulwich library - but who cares? Surely not Dulwich labour councillors.