Hamlets_Bar

But if the perpetrator knows prison for life is bound to happen, I bet they would think twice before they carried the knifes etc they do today and commit the crimes they do. They all know that killing as become a part of life accepted and easily got away with, so there is no detterent. But still what sickens me is how anyone can wipe out a life without thought, over absolutely nothing. And I will repeat it again and again, I do blame a lot of parents

I will end this on the fact that at this 18th party, there was adults and security, but as a mother of a 18 year old myself I never needed security for her 18th, but sad as it is today you do require it to an extent, yet still things happen. And yes there are lots we can do to help the youth of today. How sad is it that one youngster can think nothing of wiping out the life of another? And yes I will say it again, I do in a lot of cases blame the parents, but also our society and the way this country is run. It is only going to get worse.

Thanks. It worked for new york, and 10 years ago you would be scared to go on the subway there. Its a dream now, and all because they said ZERO TOLERANCE.... If the youth of today knew they would be banged up for life, would they do what they do??? NO. Pearson Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Best thing said so far: > > Hamlets_Bar Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Bring in the New York system of zero > > tolerance.......

Bluerevolution Wrote: Thank you, as a experienced doorman you would well know these things occur without anyone at a venue even having a clue about it... It is not the venue's fault at all. Do people really think venues and the people working there would let these crimes happen??? Ridiculous. As I have said earlier. And it saddens me so much as a mother of a 18 year old, it is society today for the youths, and I do truly blame a lot of the parents. ------------------------------------------------------- > James, I fully appreciate what your are saying, as > an experienced doorman/ security officer > (Manchester) I have seen it all. (including having > blood filled syringes pulled on me) > We need to wait to find out what actually happened > on Friday, assumption appears to be that it was > all about the party at DHFC. > We don't know if that was well supervised, I would > think it was to be honest. There is a very good > chance that someone annoyed someone else and phone > calls were made, speculation I know. > The perpetrator/s could well have been from well > outside ED and therefore DHFC nor anyone else > would have known nor could have done anything > about this. > I'd love to be able to give a simplistic answer to > the knife/gun culture problem but there isn't > one. > Your earlier comment regarding Sainsburys openning > hours wasn't really helpful, staff/security are > not insured beyond the confines of the car park > and would be trained/told do not under any > circumstance pursue/deal with situations beyond > those bounds, call the police by all means but do > not get involved. > Had someone called the police would it have made > any difference? I doubt it. > Police numbers at that time of night in this area > would be negligible. > When I worked night security (for a 24hr Tesco in > Manchester), each division had and average of 6 > officers on duty, I doubt there is much difference > here.

It is all very well thinking id cards etc etc, but that is not going to happen, and if it did, soon enough fake id's will be available. Carrying a id card does not prove you would not commit a crime of any sort. A id card will never stop crime. If a person is happy to carry a weapon and use it without even thinking of the pain and suffering they are causing, no id card will deter that. no matter where you are in london or the world. I actually am sad to say I hate the phase I blame the parents, but I do think the morals and words of your parents in upbringing mean so much, and as a mother of a 18 year old, and being bought up in south east london, think this is a big factor in todays youth crime. Bring in the New York system of zero tolerance.......

The party at Dulwich Hamlet was a 18th party, and everyone buying a drink was id'd. No matter where it was held or where in london, is not the point and to try to pin point blame on a venue, or otherwise in these circumstances is very wrong. Dulwich hamlet is a football club, and also a health and social club, which hosts many a party, with great events and evenings and it is just so so sad a tragic event occured after this party. We cannot blame, the premises, cannot blame sainsburys, cannot blame the police. Maybe lets all try to think of the families today ok, and instead of all looking to blame lets look at society in general.

Keef, your employers take it out of your holiday if you can't get in? What do they expect you to do get the huskies and sleigh?