Cyclemonkey

and additionally the Tesco on East Dulwich Road closes at 11pm

Hmm - a bit out of the price range of this "young professional" and i prefer my house not to look like it's just fallen out of a house developers catalogue.

There's a 24 hour costcutter at the end of East Dulwich road (near the Tesco!) Whilst i have concerns about Tesco dominance my immediate concern over the last few days has been the odd rotting smell that has been hanging around the car park of the East Dulwich rd Tesco.

A separate room from the living room, not an open plan space with a kitchen that looks like it has been built in a coridoor. New conversions never provide enough kitchen space. My purpose built, turn of the century flat has a good sized separate kitchen with enough room for a table and chairs. It also has cupboards and a larder.

Half a million and you don't even get a proper kitchen?? Truely there are people out there with more money than sense. I saw a 3 bed semi on Peckham Hill street on offer for ?800,000 the other day. Who is buying these houses???

I don't - it wasn't very good. I think people have hit the nail ont he head - the space is awkward and doesn't work well for a bar whatwever the offer. In general old shop spaces do not really make good bar spaces. If you notice purpose built pubs in London tend to be on street corners where the building can be designed for a much more genial space

It's always been very empty. We went there a couple of weeks ago after dinner on a Saturday night - a pub cannot survive if it only has about 5 customers at 10pm on a Saturday night in the summer. I wouldn't think this woudl be the last closure in SE15/SE22 Over the last couple of years i have been astonished that London and in particular our area seemd to have bucked the recession and more and more cafes, pubs and restaurants opened. Our household cannot be the only one that suffered the twin body blow in increasing bills and a decreased household income. We certainly spend a lot less on going out than we did 3 or 4 years ago.

Ahh sounds like it then. I was just suspicious because someone mentioned that there seemed to be parties there regularly every weekend with DJs so i wondered if the party was a slightly more professional operation.

As i said upthread it sounds like someone stretching the lines between private and commercial parties. It would be very very unusual for the council to grant an licence for an outdoor event with music to go one after 11pm (one of the reasons Franks only has a license until 11pm) you don;t need permission to have a private party on your own property (however you will be subject to noise legislation) however form the descriptions from people nearby these do not sounds like private parties - if they have professional DJs and seem to be held regualarly every weekend i doubt it is someone having a BBQ for their birthday. I would report them to the council but mention this as well as even if the party is free - if it is regular and is a professional type operation they will need a licence or at least a temporary event notice and will have to comply with various safety demands.

Sound sliek there were two different parties - our was at completely the opposite end of Rye Lane. The one near us stopped at 11pm mercifully - i think it helped it was clearly on Southwark property so maybe they were able to exert a little more influence on their tenants? You should get the noise team involved. Sounds like the guys near Aldi are taking the piss - fine have a private party once in a while but if you are getting DJs in and having an event on a regular basis that sounds more like a organised event - if they don't have the appropriate permissions - even if it is invite only they could be in a lot of trouble. I think we may be seeing a bit more of this recently - partly due to the hot weather and partly due to Peckhams continuing reputation as a cool place to come for a night out - we may be getting more party minded visitors and and indeed attracting more "party" residents who don't seem to have the need for a 9-5 job like us longer term residents. We need to be clear with them - come here and have a good time but respect the fact that whilst it is a "cool party place" to you to many of us it's home and we don't appreciate being kept awake by loud music on a work night.

Hi, I'm not going to add any comments on the current debate as i am not parent to a child that is schooled around here (my partner has a child at school in North London) If it helps put things in perspective i went to a primary school that had a number of "bulge classes" whilst i was there - our classes were around 30 - 40 children and there were a number of classes held in temporary class rooms/the school hall and lunches and sports activities were on a rota system. (and this was in the mid to late 1980s when quite frankly state schools were seriously underfunded - we had outside toilets that froze in winter, almost all my primary school classes were held in portakabins and we had no onsite kitchen so lunch was brough in from other schools and always cold and horrible!) This mainly happened due to a unexpected increase in young families in the two villages the school served (mainly due to a serious building programem of houses in the 1970s and 1908s encouragign young familes to move there out of the local town) and a serious lack of funding (the old Victorian school had been on a waiting list for rebuilding for many years before i joined and only happened in the late 1990s i think) Of course school is not the only influence on a child and there are other detirminates of success but i came out absolutley fine and there was no detriment to my early education (although i remember being annoyed by the split lunch times if i could not have lunch with my friends from the other classes in my year)

Seems to be quiet now. Big thanks to the Southwark noise people, quiet after 8 hours of this i'm grateful for a bit of peace. Definitely worth my council tax money!

We're opposite! I have had a very trying Sunday. I think we may have been talking about 2 different things. I am off Peckham Rye and this is the first noisy thing in the immediate area this summer, i think it is a private party on the estate. I haven't heard the Rye lane thing, could it be one of the bars. I know the Bussey building do stuff on their roof but i think they end at 11. There was an after Pexmas party in Holly Grove last Saturday but that was done by 11 (cos i was at it!)

Hi all. The one you are referring to i think is a party outside in the Council estate off Fenwick Road and East Dulwich Rd. It's been on since 1pm today. Council noise people on their way. I'm not near enough to Rye lane but is it perhaps Canavans pool place, i know they do late ish parties however all inside i think. I really hope the noise people deal with it soon, i've had about 8 hours of this now and it's wearing a bit thin. I went and spoke to the guy running the party earlier, he was perfectly nice but seemed astonished that anyone would find the noise annoying or indeed than i might want to get a decent nights sleep before work.

Yep done, they are on their way but apparently very busy tonight. Seriously am i the only one who has to go to work tomorrow?

Right i have told the Council now as it's 10pm and they are still going strong, which is a bit rude for a Sunday night i think.

Thanks Cora will do. I actually found some ear plugs i use when flying, which proved so effective i promptly dropped off for about an hour! It does seem to have quietened down now in any case (yes i have taken the ear plugs out!) Hilariously my partner hasn't noticed a thing as he's been ensconced in the other side of the flat listening to the cricket on his headphones all afternoon!

Yeah i actually enjoy the style of music so it could be worse! The problem is the bass which is vibrating our flat. I also have to be up very early so am vaguely concerned about this going on late. We are on the edge of Solway Road and i think the u shape of the road is acting like an amplifier bouncing the noise back so we get it on both sides of the flat.

There is currently a very very loud party somewhere at the Peckham Rye end of East Dulwich Road. To the point where we cannot have our windows open at all. I'm not a killjoy but i am trying to read some papers for an early morning work meeting, my concentration is not helped by someone playing reggae so loud it may as well be in my flat.

I'm an Ivy House shareholder and i haven't recived any notification or a newsletter! :(

It is a business not a community centre so it won't be able to fit in with all the Communities wishes - however i'm sure as a responsible pub they will be sensitive to the local community - however i'm sure there has been a pub there longer than many residents. i doubt the application was deliberately "hushed up" they are public documents available on the council website and in the local press as well as posted in a promient place on the premises in question. I sympathise with those worried about noise but midnight/1am is not late at all for a Friday/Saturday and pretty much essential if they want to have gigs - please do not strangle this place before it has had chance to prove itself out of some kind of mis placed nimby ism.

Saffron i'm sorry to sound judgemental but seriously are you really suggesting that people regularly put 4 and 5 year olds in to pushchairs and wheel them around - you are havign a laugh surely - 4 and 5 years olds are often at school and surely can walk around - i understand small children can be a pain and have tantrums and not like walking etc.. etc.. (having brought up a child win London and never had a car i do understand) But if you put a yelling 4 or 5 year old into a buggy because they don't want to walk you are surely creating massive rod for your own back. Im terms of folding buggies away - fine if the kid is in it - eg the place doesn't have a highchair and they can't use the adult chair but i was referring the empty buggies jsut left willynilly in places. Buses the same however seeing as the "pushchair space" is actually for disabled customers parents should always be ready to fold up the pushchair to free up the space if needed.

Ah you see i disagree i have told off children not known to me on the bus and in other places. Just this morning i asked a young lad to stop playing music outloud on his mobile cos it was annoying everyone and last night i told a very young child (around 5 or 6) to stop pressing the bell over and over. Once i did get grief from a parent about telling off her child but seeing as i was telling off the child for industriously smearing boiled sweets on to my coat in full sight of me and his mother i felt within my rights to tell him off and asked the mother if she refused to keep her child under control perhaps she'd like to pay my dry cleaning bill instead

Oh yeah i think the majority of people are always are ok. I think maybe what we have lost is the solidarity of adults in public palces. I am quite happy to remonstrate with shildren if i see they doing something dangerous or just plain annoying and also talk to them and engage with them etc.. We seem to have lost this idea of all adults being responsible for children and i think that is a shame. People feel for whatever reason they cannot remonstrate with rowdy or naughty children in public place or indeed engagement with them and therefore they get frustrated by bad behaviour and take it out in the parents. i think it does us all good when adults (all adults not just the parents of the individual children) learn to take charge of a space and welcome children into it by engaging with them but also setting the boundaries. No wonder parents feel stressed and isolated with other adults in the community are not prepared to engage with children or help them set the boundaries they need. I think these days parent can see parenting as their sole job and it makes them unhappy and stressed. Recently i was out with a group of friends and one friend of a friend (who i had met ina fair few occasions) was there with her young daughter - she wanted to go to the loo and as her mum was eating and in an awkward place at the table i offered to take the little girl to the ladies. Her mum refused my offer and made a big deal of the fact "mummy" was going to take this child to the loo. I felt this was very odd - firsly that she didn't trust me and secondly instilling in her daughter that Mummy will always subugate her needs to those of her daughters - not a good example to set i think.

Well i'm sorry i have had that and you have to grit your teeth and not allow them to get into bad habits - we did it with my step son as he got used to walkign everywhere very quickly and uncomplainingly - you're not seriously suggesting 4 - 5 year olds go in buggies - they will be a primary school at that age - not wanting to get all 4 Yorkshiremen about it but i was regualrly expected to walk to mile to primary school from my house with either my parents or older children at the age of 4.5 - 5.