Girl82

Great news! I wonder how it will affect the guy with the coffee stall in the station though? Unless it's him that's opening it? Help-Ma-Boab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Going to be a new independant coffee shop opening > beside the Station (next door to new cycle hub) > opposite the Jerk Chicken place. Aked this morning > if it was going to be a bar to be greeted with, > "Naw you'll no get a wee dram in here laddie!" in > a very poor Scottish impersonation.

I agree M&S is expensive, but I've done a few shops at Waitrose recently and have been surprised how many items are cheaper than the Co-op and even Tesco. Their 500g minced beef costs around ?2.80, while Co-op's is ?4! So scratch M&S - maybe what Rye Lane needs is a Waitrose! Also, do people really think there will ever be hipster hangouts actually on Rye Lane? I just can't see it happening, the street just seems too far gone :( I can't wait til plans are approved and work begins on that grotty station forecourt. MrBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When I said it will happen. I meant Rye Lane will > eventually start to get some new independents and > the odd hipster hang out. They're only 50 yards > from the front line at the moment anyway... > > I think you're safe KK, M&S execs would never > open there. Between the traditional African dress > and skinny jeans brigade I can't see any of them > buying threads in there. Ditto food given the > price of it is beyond many.

I'm not sure how kindly the businesses look upon somebody like myself asking them to clear up their hair balls and rubbish. Surely this is something the council should be enforcing? It seems like they've just given up trying. KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Leave Rye Lane as it is FFS. Yeah OK, mess with > the station entrance a bit and put a nice square > there maybe, but the rest of it is poifect. Until > the hair balls get big enough to knock you over, > don't worry about it (they van be addressed anyway > by directly approaching the businesses rather than > whining on EDF about it).

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I would echo what everybody else has said about ex-local authority blocks. I remember reading recently (I think it may have been on here!) about someone living in exactly that and the council issued them with something like a ?10,000 bill to do compulsory works to the property. I've also heard that it can be a similar story when you buy a leasehold flat in a council street property where Southwark still owns the freehold. While the ground rent and service charge can be attractively low in those sorts of properties, I've heard that the council can just issue you with a bill for compulsory works out of the blue, which can run into thousands of pounds.

I'm not a particular fan of Starbucks I have to say, but anything is better than yet another Poundland, nail shop, butchers, bookies or hairdresser... JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ironically I guess if M&S food, Starbucks etc. > opened in Rye Lane > they'd probably be packed out, unlike Curry's and > WHSmith who > struggled. > > But still slightly to early in the process > although I reckon a > chain coffee shop (I know that's not popular with > some) within > the year - maybe on the south end.

Can't wait to see the proposed designs. Roll on October!

Thanks LondonMix. I really think Rye Lane would be a much better place for M&S personally! But I guess hell will freeze over before M&S would come to Rye Lane. Does anyone think there is any chance of that at all? LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They are appealing that decision and its going to > a formal hearing so they are fighting quite > tenaciously for the Lordship Lane location still. > > Girl82 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It would be amazing if M&S were to come back to > > Rye Lane. They didn't manage to get their > planning > > application through on Lordship Lane, so maybe > > they should try Rye Lane instead! I can but > > dream... > > > > > >

I know. I reckon some people think that wanting businesses not to dump litter on the streets is considered "gentrification" too. LondonLogCo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is returning houses to their original condition & > opening an independent shop/bussiness considered > as "Gentrification" > > How odd.

I certainly wouldn't buy my meat on Rye Lane for hygiene reasons. The sight of those skinned chickens in the butchers, strung up by their necks in 30C heat with flies buzzing around, isn't exactly appealing. I do buy fruit and veg from there sometimes though.

It would be amazing if M&S were to come back to Rye Lane. They didn't manage to get their planning application through on Lordship Lane, so maybe they should try Rye Lane instead! I can but dream... Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What Peckham do you recall then which is so > different? As has been discussed, people in London > often live in the same place but are basically in > a parallel universe. We all live different lives > depending on any number of factors. The Peckham I > remember as a child was largely white and working > class. There were pockets of wealth along grove > park towards Camberwell and out towards Dulwich > proper, but overall it was a largely poor area. It > took the main shopping street a long time to catch > up with demographic change. The area still had an > M&S and Sainsburys until the late 80s, and from a > socio-economic point of view they probably should > have closed down 20 years earlier. The departure > of major department stores on Rye Lane from a > retail point of view didnt always match the > fortunes of the surrounding streets and areas, and > the emergence of ED as a gentrified neighbour is a > good example of this. > > Louisa.

Eileen, thanks for the reply. It is so great that the station is finally being addressed - it depresses me every time I walk under those arches, with all the litter everywhere and the balls of hair! Not to mention the dark and dingy environment and the smells. I can't wait until October/November to see the plans that the council come up with. While it's a little strange that they're being so secretive, I honestly can't think that anything they propose could be worse than what we have now to be honest. I just hope they manage to successfully negotiate with all the businesses at the front of the station to get them to vacate their premises.

Also, just spotted this on Eileen's link. Eileen - why are the council being so tight-lipped about sharing information on the plans and design do you think? From www.peckhamvision.org: Station restoration latest August 2013 The Council is developing plans for the design and development of the new front square and new commercial spaces at the back of the station. There is not yet satisfactory information about how the public can contribute to these ideas. No information is available about the conceptual discussions between the Council and Network Rail. Indications are that there will be no opportunity for public discussion before a planning application is put out for consultation in October/November 2013 with only weeks for consideration.

I don't think so Spider - the council and Network Rail sound very keen to press ahead from what Eileen said. What do you envisage could hold it up? spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If one looks at the planning application shown on > Eileens attachment. http://www.peckhamvision.org > looking to save a bleak concrete shopping arcade > will destroy the whole plan to open the area up. > All the front and sides should come done to > produce a open and airy feel. > > Suspect this possible plan will take far longer to > get agreed if at all. > > Shame

Hi Eileen, thank you very much for the update. Fantastic news that the council and Network Rail are aiming to get a planning application submitted in October/November. It can't come quickly enough - and the sooner that ugly building in front of the station is torn down and replaced with a lovely public square, the better! Peckham deserves a better gateway than those smelly rubbish-strewn alleyways. Do keep us posted with any updates! I will certainly be adding my support to the plans when the application is submitted, as I'm sure the vast majority of those who use the station will.

Hi Eileen, do you know when the proposed works to Peckham Rye Station - creating the public square etc - are due to begin? I can't seem to find any information on it and am dying to know! Many thanks. Eileen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jeremy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I think they key thing is with the Peckham > Vision > > lot is that they love where they live, and want > to > > bring out the best in it. Not transform it into > > something it isn't. > > thanks - not always easy to convey on websites and > in these cyber forums, but yes definitely. Hope > anyone who shares that vision will join us through > the following links: > http://www.peckhamvision.org > > http://www.facebook.com/PeckhamVision > email list: info@peckhamvision.org

Well it seems that is what Peckham Vision are aiming to do - and it can't come soon enough in my opinion. It's sad how horribly neglected it has all become. spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How much imagination does it take to picture the > whole area completely redeveloped with the station > as the centre

Huggers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > is it open yet? It reopened at about 9.10 this morning.

And by the way, does anybody actually *like* the balls of tumbleweave that are basically now a permanent fixture of the roads around the station? I'm becoming a bit fed-up of getting bits of fake hair caught in my sandals to be honest. Why don't these businesses give a damn about their environment or the effect it has on anyone else? It's really horrible :(

Well then, the sooner it is razed to the ground and rebuilt, the better!! woodrot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the hipster vermin wouldnt stand for a revamp - > they are poverty tourists and love the seedy run > down neglected shittyness of the place.

As someone who has been using Peckham Rye station for the last four years or so, I completely agree with Spider. Whilst I wasn't fortunate enough to live in the area when Rye Lane was in its heyday, I have read up on what it was like, and find it so sad that it has become the litter-strewn road that it is today. Fortunately from what I've heard it sounds like the wheels are in motion to restore the station to at least a glimmer of its former glory, and about time too. spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As a local resident of 68 years i am fed up with > living in a sh..t hole. > > That whole area is a dump. How many residents can > remember dunns the outfitters on that entrance. > When rye lane was something to be proud of. > > Walk down rye lane and station entrance earlier > morning before it all gets busy and see how rank > the pavements are and the fifth that is engrained > everywhere. > > There is nothing to save. Start from new

According to Southern Rail it's due to "a structural fault with the station entrance". It's about time they got on with redeveloping the station once and for all - if this isn't impetus to do so I don't know what is.

zeban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In your opinion of course. Isn't the answer to > littering to employ more rubbish collectors, > wouldn't that be a simpler and cheaper solution? I > agree the station is hidden but who cares. You go > there once and then hey presto, you know where to > go the second time! I wouldn't say the statement that it smells unpleasant or that there's an unusually high amount of litter is an opinion. I'd say it's a fact!

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also, I care a lot what the building I use / go by > look like. The built environment has been shown > to have an impact on people psychologically. > There is a beautiful historic building hiding > there and its great that the funds have been put > together for its renovation. Peckham has some > great architecture and it should be celebrated. Exactly - I don't see how anyone could not want that to be honest! So does anyone have an update on where this project is at ?

zeban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What's wrong with the station as it is? It smells bad, and there's always a lot of rubbish littering the street - food, clumps of hair from the hairdressers etc. Plus the station building is practically hidden from view by the ugly building built in front of it. Peckham Vision's plans to open up that square again sound great.