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"I am bored" seems to be the latest response from the pro LTN playlist, along with the laughing/ ridicule emoji and "this news is four years old, move on". Perhaps a list of responses is kept at LCC HQ, along with advisories on which LTN and CPZ consultations to input around the boroughs.

Now Earl, calm down. It is hard for you to understand that many of us will not willingly move on from what has been a pretty disgraceful and underhand performance by Southwark Labour. Note, as Rockets said, phase 3 of 'Vanity Square' only in place now. Spin away, but this is not going away.

Still here Earl? I thought you were bored of threads with this subject matter? I am sure the OP will let us know, Perhaps pushing through non-mandated LTN and traffic measure changes is not jtst s Southwark Council thing.

Earl, no need to hang around if you are bored. A number of us are glad objections to local LTNs have and continue to be voiced. I am afraid that is not going to change, much as you may like it to. I am also interested to find out from the OP if, unlike Southwark, LTNs in Lambeth are mandated.

Interesting reading. Agree with separating walking and cycling out. In my view, e- bikes cannot really be considered as active travel from a health perspective, especially if we discover kids are using Lime bikes to cover short distances they might have walked in the past.

Southwark Labour know that, as Alice says, lifelong Labour voters or even those on the fence would not stomach voting in a Tory council on a single issue. As many here also know, people rarely vote on single issues in council elections. Nonetheless, Labour knew very well that there is plenty of local opposition to LTNs, so they kept their spending plans very quiet in that regard. There is still no good answer as to how this 'green' council is happy to rent and ruin our park spaces while it gifts millions to an already wealthy area to have a piece of main thoroughfare turned into a 'square'. A space in which to "socialise" they say, when there are massive parks, numerous restaurants and a gallery on the doorstep. As Spartacus suggests, let's have a referendum on what has become a sticking point for many.

Absolutely no detail and 'new schemes' is typical fudging political speak. What is fair about spending literally millions on scheme to reconfigure a tiny area of road in the wealthiest part of the borough, during a cost of living crisis? Meantime, streets in less wealthy areas are left to rot. To this I would add that our allegedly greener council wants to sublet and monetise our precious local parks to the max...

Please show where in the last Southwark Labour manifesto intentions and expenditure on local LTNs were highlighted? Labour did not run on it and you know that. That is an example of how democracy is undermined. Just to add, as I do not want to go off thread, I do not know if Lambeth Labour highlighted proposed LTNs and related changes in their manifesto? Perhaps the OP can tell us?

Those pictured protesting here are most likely local residents. The cyclists we see supporting the millions of pounds Dulwich Square creation are as likely to be London Cycling Campaign supporters, not locals at all.

Because most people opposed to local LTNs are not necessarily Tory supporters, despite efforts to portray them that way. Nor, do most tend to vote on a single issue. At the last local election few had the stomach to vote for a local Tory candidate when they knew any victory would have been spun as support for the national government. Plus, Southwark Labour were pretty much silent on LTNs etc, indicating they knew they were not popular and counted on voters having other equal or greater concerns. Locals are not indifferent, they have been stitched up by the current council and its fanatical supporters who are pressing on with their agenda, come what may. I cannot believe, in a cost of living crisis, that posters here think spending millions on reconfiguring a small area of road space in Dulwich Village is okay.

Don't think they are indifferent. Many of us that have found ourselves questioning the wisdom of local LTNs and CPZ would not vote at the council elections on those issues alone- but it does not make us "indifferent" just powerless it seems to stop the council's single- minded pursuit of its agenda, eagerly supported by some equally myopic and fanatical stakeholder/ supporter organisations.

Couldn't agree more Rockets. The obsession with Richard Aldwinckle borders on weird and attempts to demonise him or those who in any way question the wisdom of local LTNs is telling.

You don't say. If you read my post you will see I said I don't know if Lambeth are mandated to make the changes as per OP. I commented on Southwark in passing and then back to issue of consultations. Didn't think you were one to get into barrel scraping point scoring DKH.

I have no idea if Lambeth are mandated to make these changes; we know Southwark are not. If not mandated via election and consultations do not count, how are the views of local residents to be factored into a democratic process?

Eh?

oh yes the hordes of cycling commuters we see daily. In fact, if there were much greater numbers of cyclists I'd probably stop cycling. On the few occasions I have been out cycling and there have been lots of other cyclists on the same route it has felt quite dangerous and unpleasant at times, with the speed freak element whether on e-bike or unpowered, seemingly oblivious to anyone else.Of course, these types of cyclists will keep cycling on all and any pavements for as long as they can get away with it. Back to pavements. If the council can throw the sort of money they have to turn Dulwich Junction into a 'Square' how and why have they turned a blind eye to the state of ED paving?

Pretty gross example of end justifies the means.

Yes, I should have added e-scooters.

Clearly your view but not one universally shared, not least by those boroughs and cities getting rid of them.

What do you mean by supervised? Sounds a bit like creating chaos for one day a month. Those relying on buses may not thank you as presumably some may have to walk further? But shall we try to keep this thread on the subject of the state of local pavements on a rainy day? Do you think more should be done to rectify poor paving on LL and roads like Northcross?

The greatest likely issue for wheelchair users and those with limited mobility is uneven surfaces and cycling on pavements.

In response to Earl- Isn't the general advice from the resolutely anti car lobby that we should all use rental cars for any necessary car use? Presumably those rental cars have to be parked somewhere, whether in use or not? If more people ditch their own cars and start using rentals then there will also be more rental cars. Or are you against all car use, whatever the need?

Anyone know why the bench has been removed? Surely this will be reused? So much time and money being spent on reconfiguring this tiny space. As someone mentioned, Southwark clearly have money to throw around.

I was told that there had been issues because of the bank holiday weekend and posties are on holiday (which they are entitled to be of course) but sounds like management of shifts and hire of relief workforce a bit all over the place. Post very hit and miss my way.

I referred to something that you posted a while back, please don't deny you said those things. Others here will remember. Again, you want discussion but as soon as anyone disagrees with your view you start up with your 'anger' angle- not so dissimilar from the stuff you were doing earlier. It is quite simple, as cycling increases the risk for harm also increases, unless you want to try to argue there is no such thing as careless cycling? After all, as others have observed, many of us cyclists are also motorists or vice versa, those inclined to 'take the gap' in a car are likely to take similar risks when cycling, ditto for those who speed. Cycling on pavements when it is seemingly a bit random and there is no clear idea of when it is okay and when it is not, is beginning to become problematic in some areas. It may be difficult to 'police' but we need to find a way before it really gets out of hand. I believe Brent are having issues with Lime bikes and may get rid of them.