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Thanks for that, will take a look.

James, in total, how many households on the streets under discussion (Melbourne and those around)? Of those how many have actively sought and are in favour of a permeable filter? I think this is key.

Ah, my mistake I was confusing cyclemaps with cyclestreets. That said, from what I can see cyclemaps only works on Apple products not android?

Once the weather warms up some people do like loud, pumpin?, floor shakin? bass to accompany whatever they are doing in the garden. A party once in a while is ok but weekday...really?! Everyone needs to be a bit more sensitive and considerate and, oh, why not purchase some high quality earphones? That way you can ?party? all night and even all day but the rest of us don?t have to listen to it. And people like Sophia have the best chance if recovery. Loud music/ noise, especially bass noise has a negative impact on the immune system.

louisemurray Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes you can, in settings you have to select voice > navigation Thanks Louise, it just won?t work for me. Perhaps a phone or phone software issue. Incredibly annoying though as I am forced to use Google which is not cycle route friendly.

Is it possible to get turn by turn narration on Cyclemaps? I have tried and can?t.

I would like to wait to get back to winter weather, high winds, rain and dark mornings/ evenings, before looking at these healthy street changes. Let?s test the reality of only cycling and walking then. Remembering ED has two very steep hills either end. I do see things have to change, that is obvious, but it needs to be thought through for all weather conditions, not just summer months. Cycling and walking can work if your job is local but not if you work the other side of London and have a job that requires you to be on your feet all day.

Yes, you are quite right. If people start to cycle in numbers, those wishing to cycle very fast will be unable to. The other factor is potholes and the state of the roads. I know of at least two people who have sustained serious bone breaks after coming off their bike because of potholes.

Thanks Rockets, very useful info. Thanks too to Renata for her reply.

This is so odd. I have been out along these roads regularly and have not witnessed this same increase. Perhaps it occurs at a time of day I am not ouT? This is not to say I have not witnessed some singularly horrendous speeding but this is on various roads, especially Barry Road. Never though on Melbourne!

I think it is a mix of opportunity and a deeply inappropriate emotional response to lockdown. If you have a set of fast wheels and are of a certain personality type the temptation to let it all hang out seems to be overwhelming. There have as long as I can remember been boy/girl racer types and they will flout any rules to get their speed fix. I?m afraid to say the same types can be found on other types of transport, including bicycles. And though not nearly as lethal, they can still be dangerous.

I think we will see a rise again late summer autumn, in part normal pattern of lowered immunity but also creeping sloppiness re social distancing. Think the latter is twofold, either A case of- most people I know haven?t had it so I?ll be ok (or they have but not badly enough to realise/ same difference) or me, my family and friends have probably all had it so now we are immune and don?t have to worry either. If the numbers start to rise again you may see posts on C19 do the same.

Southwark council does not seem to be replying to email requests for a permit?!

Some of the driving I have witnessed has been really scary. Don?t know what planet these people are on but unbelievably selfish and careless of others.

Yes, but rarely are.

I would very much like to know: 1. How many households are there in total on Melbourne Grove (I would count 2 flats within a house as separate households)? 2. Of the total households, how many have given clear support for a permeable filter on MG? Does anyone know this? For CPZ consultation , although it was a breach of their own street by street methodology, Southwark chose to cur Melbourne Grove in half and treat the two halves as separate streets, enabling them a majority in favour of CPZ around the station.

If I have understood, the poster updated DVLA records within two weeks of moving, hardly avoiding his responsibilities! Goodness, after a house move there are so many things to consider that updating DVLA records would be pretty low on most people?s lists. Think he has been really, really unlucky. That said, technically Southwark have not done anything wrong either, they have simply followed process in the unimaginative,Bureaucratic way we have come to expect. Agree with Malumbu, a little proportionality would be nice, seeing this for the honest mistake it is, but don?t hold your breath, they care more about the money than they do you.

Malumbu, fairly sure fox poo a whole lot nastier in terms of pathogens than is dog poo!

But an incident like this is so vanishingly rare that you cannot damn a whole species on that basis. A fair number of people become very ill and some even die from cat scratches every year but no sane person would advocate poisoning or shooting cats. Bottom line, other humans probably present a greater risk to human life than do foxes. I would hate to see urban environments sterilised to suit the whims of humans. We don?t own the world, although some of us like to think we do.

My slight concern is that while people are cycling mostly for leisure it can be pleasant, however I have had two near misses in the last few days with lycra clad cyclists on a speed mission, happily overtaking without any warning whatsoever, one when I was hand signalling to make a right hand turn. I do wonder how cycling is going to feel once people are using it to get to work in greater numbers? I recall one very active pro cycling person on this forum insisting mobility scooters should not use cycle lanes as it would slow down the preferred 20mph average speed that cycle commuters like him were keen to maintain.

I suspect the council drive for CPZ is underpinning this latest move. Playing their usual long game of ?street dominoes? the council would be more than happy to displace lots of traffic onto the roads listed, as those streets ?resisted? at the last CPZ consultation. If this new meddling proposal succeeds we should expect councillors soon to turn up on the doorsteps of residents on those ?CPZ-resistant? streets, ready to lend a sympathetic ear and keen to drum up support for their car-free solutions, with money making permits and myriad penalties the end goal. Given current issues with public transport,money, pervasive uncertainty and stress, attempting to ramp up pressure on car use is crazy. This political ?tunnel vision? is both alarming and inept.

ed_pete Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd also be interested to know how many residents > of these street are 100% practising social > distancing themselves. How many have children > that have been out with their mates, how many have > been for dog walks with friends, how many have had > the odd evening drink with neighbours... > There are lots of streets that are in a similar > position to those mentioned. It seems very odd to > cherry pick a few for special treatment. Almost > as if there is a hidden agenda. Wasn't the whole > CPZ thing based on a disproportionately small > number of residents requests that happened to fit > with the councils agenda ? > In spite of James's post saying "The council is > considering 'permeable filters' on certain > roads.", this survey is not a council survey, it's > a councillors survey whereby if you fill in the > contact details you're granting permission to be > contacted by the Labour Party. There is no way on > knowing how the information provided will be used > and whether or not council officers will give any > credence to the results. Can?t help but agree with this. All so disappointing but predictable.

I?d be very interested to know the exact amount of residents living on the streets mentioned above who have requested the proposed permeable filters and then what proportion of the voting electorate per street, this request represents? Is a majority on each street in favour of permeable filters? In short, is this being driven primarily by a majority of residents or by the council?

The measures on Melbourne etc look to be opportunistic. The proposed permeable filters are something the council and a small number of residents have been pushing for ages and not a response to Covid 19. If there is an expectation that car use will rocket up because people want/need to travel safely I don?t see that putting up impediments is necessarily going to help at the moment? Why heap further stress onto the situation?

If there is the merest hint attempts have been made to poison a fox or it cubs a crime has been committed, please report to RSPCA. This is an awful way to try to kill an animal and cannot be condoned in any way.