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Those small - scale, free music events at the Horniman are great. No huge metal barriers or security guards with walkie talkies, no damage to the environment, no sectioning of part of the gardens for weeks... totally different.

I think DKHB has a valid point, that in comparison to Dulwich Park's Pub in the Park, Gala in PR is not as well run. I took that to mean that the level of disruption to residents and the park environs is not as great.

Interesting so at least two in favour are not local. I wonder how many more are from further afield? I am sure that for some of those next to the park those three days are near torture, others won't be so affected. But it is not just noise for three days but for the duration of the build and dismantle, which is weeks. My plea is to leave it at that and resist the council's move to extend the event, doubling however many weeks that part of the park is non accessible to park users and the noise impacts for locals.

The thing is it is not clear what their mandate is to do this. Before the last election Cllr McAsh gave his word that no street in ED that did not want CPZ would be forced to have it. Where in the last Southwark Labour manifesto was the intention to make the whole of Southwark, and specifically ED and Nunhead, made clear?

Just keep it to the three days.

I believe the aim is to put at least one bay and some hangars on every road.

Yes, there are other green areas, but, they are also slowly being given over to summer festival events. And it doesn't just stop at one; in some parks there are multiple events lasting much of the summer. Losing a large section of park for a month in early summer, when the park is at its most beautiful, for the sake of just a few days is a doubtful trade- off, in my view. Plus what are the actual benefits to the park and its users who are not interested in attending a music festival? In terms of free events for the local community. Why should it be the role of the council to provide entertainment? Let them focus their time and our money on the basics, like clearing rubbish, mending streets etc..

Let's just keep this event to three days only and no more. Look forward to being able to enjoy the whole park, sans metal barriers and security guards, now the warmer weather has arrived.

Yes, noticed they describe the event as " nestling" in the beautiful Peckham Rye, conjuring visions of Arcadian delight, where revellers enjoy music while being at one with the natural world. Tomorrow the big clear up begins.

..."Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof" In response to Lynne: given there are facilities on site pissing up residential property is revolting, anti social and plain uncalled for. As I have said, if this event is kept at 3 days a year I am sure we will cope but S'wark and Cllr Rose want more, much more.

Another example of a big USA Tech company getting away with doing just as they please. Don't know who runs Forest Bikes but they are a better, less in your face colour. Loads of Lime bikes on various ED roads this morning, left scattered on paths and blocking access.

In the Park yesterday, other bits of the park sectioned off with metal barriers making them inaccessible (also ugly). An elderly lady using sticks was advised by someone with her to turn back; it was apparent she had wanted to visit the garden run by FOPR, but it was closed off. It seems clear the additional random barriers are there to protect areas of the park from vandalism while Gala is on, but it is yet another unwelcome aspect of this event that affects park users who just want to visit their local green space on a bank holiday weekend.

If it stays at only three days then we may have to grin and bear it (personally I am not overly bothered but it is a well known fact that unwanted noise is incredibly stressful. As you may know, the council have granted a premises licence for next year for a 6 day event, which pretty much doubles the time that very large section of the park will be taken out of public use and be boarded off. If it goes through, I can guarantee it will just be the beginning and before long, as is happening in Brockwell Park, the Rye will simply become a summer events base for hire. I and many others do not want to see that happen. Quite aside from the noise, events like this seriously affect the park ecosystem. The council cannot be trusted to be accurate and honest about those effects because they are desperate for money.

I hope those closer to the Rye don't have too hard a time this weekend. I live much further away but could certainly hear it. If you love the music then good for you but if you don't it must be pretty grim to have it pumping out for three days solid.

Watch from about 44:24 Cllr Rose explains the rationale and then refers to when there is controlled parking throughout the borough. she also talks about how when every car owner must hold a permit the council can collect much more detailed data on what sort of vehicle is owned, size, weight, engine size etc.. and this will allow a more nuanced approach to charging. She and Margy Newens refer to research on pollution from tyres and so while ownership of electric vehicles is being, as Rose says, "incentivised" she also notes that they are heavier, so this may change how they are charged down the line. In terms of benefits to the public...fewer cars so the spaces occupied by cars can be freed up for other things..think many more bike hangars, now to also house some of the hire e-bikes and scooters and more places to park/store more two wheeled vehicles on the street. Southwark aim to be the first borough to take provision of bike hangars in house. They are also mulling over woodburners and gas hobs.

Abe, If you listen through the most recent council scrutiny session on environment and community engagement commission, chaired by Cllr Margy Newens ( it is on youtube) Cllr Rose states it is her ambition and intention to see the whole of Southwark made CPZ.

It may be worth remembering that in their 2022 manifesto, Southwark Labour made a pledge to "Equal Pavements", ensuring accessibility to all pavement users.

Given, Cllr Rose' personal commitment to ensuring the whole borough is CPZ, before long this will apply to everyone, and not just those who own a car.

Does this mean James McAsh will take over the rollout of CPZ? Cllr Rose is on the record this month saying she is personally determined to make the whole Borough CPZ. Will he follow this hard line? It does rather make a nonsense of consultation. Cllr Rose rather gave the impression that the purpose of consultation, in her mind anyway, is to sell the council agenda, not so much to listen. Others may correct me but I do not recall any mention in the Southwark Labour 2022 manifesto of a pledge to make the whole borough CPZ, this seems to have crept in after?

Given cars ( for the most part) and bicycles don't drive themselves I think that everyone on here was really referring to human behaviour while acknowledging that the larger and heavier the vehicle the greater the potential for damage if travelling at the same speed. As an aside, forced 'positivity' can actually be quite oppressive. Fine if being deliberately positive works for you, go for it, but maybe let others decide what they can and cannot post.

I know, it looks pretty shoddy on Southwark's part.

Humdinger said: "If you are in a wheelchair (a tiny, tiny fraction of the population) then you already know you have hard luck, a few extra bicycles on the street is hardly going to push you over the edge." Quite honestly words fail. FWIW, for anyone already dealing with the "hard luck" ( an unbelievably unempathetic choice of words ) of some sort of physical disability (not just wheelchair users) and the daily inequalities they already contend with, having your access blocked by an e-bike lying in the pavement is exactly the sort of thing that can push you over the edge.

I think this article makes some of the points I have tried to touch on. Obviously we are not in USA and speed limits, including for official e-bikes, are different but I still think there is food for thought. https://www.vice.com/en/article/88q54x/america-has-an-e-bike-problem-that-cant-be-solved-with-more-e-bikes

I don't think bicycles are as inherently dangerous as cars, for reasons of weight, as you say, but I have had more near misses with other cyclists when cycling and it has made me wary. That is of course just my experience. You also have to think about the potential impact of e-bikes, scooters and souped-up e-bikes (or illegal motorbikes as you prefer to call them). It is no good trying to separate off the powered variety of two wheeled transport because they are 'not really bicycles'. They are a central part of the council's stated aim to transition to micro mobility and active travel. Having witnessed some recent behaviour of those using e-bikes, as well as the carelessness with which the bikes are left lying around after use, I am not convinced this category of users will be more law abiding than car users.