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@ LTN said: "We have One Dulwich promoting the falsehood that ambulance services are being delayed, However, Darren Farmer gave evidence in March 2021 to Southwark's Environment Scrutiny Committee and stated that this was not the case. (Look it up)" @LTN, having "looked it up" Darren Farmer makes the point that LTNs in Southwark are impacting all blue light services as well as a raft of community health and care services. He is clear, the preference is for proper consultation (inferring that has not been the case) and cameras with timed closures, as in Islington, he says. I agree with Slarti, at this point Cllr Newens looks uneasy as does Cllr Rose. Heartblock, I also agree it is hard to align the council's OHS and cleaner, greener neighbourhoods stance with simultaneous plans for infill developments on housing estates, thereby reducing green space.

If it is okay for Melbourne Grove to be used as an occasional skate board venue, why not the "Square"?!

Goodness, how many times would you suddenly need to change sides on LL with your children? If shopping why not tether your bikes and walk? If not shopping, then unclear why you cannot use pedestrian crossings along with everyone else? hammerman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But there were only horse and carts in Victorian > days. > > Things have changed and if you want to cycle with > your children along busy roads and suddenly change > sides you will have to either signal to change > lanes or use crossings.

No doubt there'll be some anodyne comment from councillors saying how very lovely the plants look- smiley face politics.

And, all courtesy of a labour council!

Hmmmm.

How can you be certain of that? Conditions can be put on developments.

You don't think they would have had any input at all into how that land was used? Yes, I know it is/was NHS owned but they do not operate in a complete vacuum.

Thanks LL. That makes sense. It is more the irony of the whole thing, as summed up by Alice. It is a farce and given promises that were apparently made to preserve the community garden shows you cannot trust this council.

On that site there are also charging stations for electric cars....why?

Yes, funny that. Meantime, ED area is 'brightened up' with ghastly murals in primary colours as was introduced in NX road. Apparently also by popular demand from local shopkeepers.

Yes and replaced with...wait for it...car parking.

Well said Rupert. rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > redpost Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > richard tudor Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Speaking with a friend he told me that his > son > > who > > > lives outside of london but has been coming > > > through DV for the past 8 days has just been > > > informed that he has been fined on every day. > > He > > > had no idea you could not go north. > > > > > > He said he did not see the signs and just > > followed > > > the flow of traffic. When he was told told he > > > looked and said it was impossible to see > these > > > signs unless you were looking for them. > > > > > > So 8 days pay going to Southwark in fines to > > keep > > > Dulwich residents in their bubble of peace. > > > > > > Just how much is this scheme fleecing people? > > > > > > There are many idiot drivers who speed and > drive > > dangerously, does he blindly follow them? > > > > Just tell him it's a new government tax on the > > inattentive, the signs are perfectly visible > and > > easily comprehended if driver is fully engaged > and > > concentrating. If he feels differently, then he > > has the right to fromally object and lie that > he > > couldn't see the sign even though in truth he > > wasn't looking in the first place. > > So every driver that has been caught out is in you > words > > "There are many idiot drivers who speed and drive > dangerously, does he blindly follow them?" > > As most of the posters on this thread have said > you do not see the signs until it is to late. > > Think you need to grow up a bit.

It's the sort of radical and 'fresh' approach that should have the council biting Alice's arm off. heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Love that idea Alice EDG - buses, bikes, taxis, > blue badge and residents only. Court and Calton > cars. Fixed! Melbourne, Elsie etc. LTNs could go, > because EDG no longer a car route and as EDG is a > school road the improvement in air quality, faster > bus journeys and safer cycling will be great for > the school children.

So what is the price of the kit and fitting? How long does the battery last and what is price of replacing? What weight does it add to the bike? In terms of battery size, how small are we talking? Guessing if bike theft becomes more and more commonplace insurance charges may increase?

I am open to the idea of e-bikes. For how long would you feel comfortable leaving your e-bike locked up and unattended? How do you carry larger amounts of shopping on your e-bike? What sort of locks do you use, given e-bikes are expensive? Surely for anyone less than reasonably fit, carrying around a battery is not so easy?For further distances, how have you found using an e-bike on trains? What about the serious hills either end of ED? No need to reply but curious about your home set-up and storage. Do you live on a ground floor with plenty of storage space? Where/how do you store your e-bike for secure but easy access? I am not saying these are not a good idea but am dubious about how practical they really are for the elderly and those with more significant mobility issues. On a separate note and bringing things back to the thread title, if more bike lanes were added in ED would these also be open to those using mobility scooters. In the past some cycling lobbyists have been very resistant to this idea for fear it would slow commuting cyclists down, they felt the proper place for mobility scooters was the pavement or bus lanes. This also raises interesting questions about who cycle lanes are for, those afficionados who wish for the freedom to cycle everywhere as fast as possible or slow, cautious cyclists?

And, as another cycling lobbyist has pointed out in the past, e-bikes are heavy and not the sort of expensive item you'd want to leave chained up anywhere. So, for the elderly etc.., how flexible is the e-bike option, in reality? What would they be able to use e-bikes for? Not shopping, not for appointments. Not a lot really.

Agree with you Rockets.

Indeed, not had a thing from the council, despite being within area.

Yes, independents are what we need.

Cyclists, unless they are mountain bikers, do need reasonably well kept roads so it is not impossible that in time cyclists may also get taxed for road upkeep.

I've had quite a few near misses when out cycling and the worst offenders have been other speeding cyclists.

So let those who are able to make the adjustments to lifestyle. Let those who are vociferously pro LTNs but who still own a car, cease car ownership. That's a start. At a time when many are under incredible pressure to earn a living, care for relatives and just survive, forcing extreme lifestyle changes in a matter of months is divisive and unhelpful. If you are merely inconvenienced by LTNs that is one thing, for others the impacts are a lot more serious.

Can you imagine the fuss if the all powerful of Dulwich Village were made to bear the brunt of overflow traffic from the impacts of the scheme elsewhere? No, for reasons of political expediency, they are protected. Our Labour councillors are complicit.

I wonder if skateboard wheels are counted too? It would be useful to find out for sure what the monitoring strips on Melbourne are for?