first mate

Thanks for acting true to form Mal and strengthening the points that Dave Hill makes, below. "It doesn’t help that cycling activists get touchy when this is pointed out. I recently published on social media a photograph of Lime bikes clustered by the entrance to my local Overground station at morning peak time, impeding people going in and out by foot and passers-by alike. It was an image which, I said, captured why so many people find London’s cycling culture alienating. The response was as large, indignant and predictable as usual – a days-long chorus of deflection, special pleading and denial: the Lime bike blockage was not, apparently, the fault of those who did the blocking but a forgivable consequence of failures by “corporate” Lime; there was the customary rush to change the subject to the sins of cars; the routine rule-breaking was dismissed as scarce or as something cyclists are “forced” to do by the cruel injustices they face; it was even contended that criticising cyclists is a form of “othering“, as if it were akin to racism. The latter case is made on behalf of a demographic dominated by affluent white males. Which is the greater, the narcissism or the solipsism?"

Don't know what others think but I find it perhaps a little odd that the brand spanking new (not to mention excruciatingly expensive) housing development on Gilkes, almost adjacent to the newly reconfigured junction, is advertising its properties with private underground parking for not just one but two cars. Private underground parking for 2 cars with access directly in to the houses and EV Charging Point

Does anyone know if there are plans for extensive bike, e-bike and scooter storage at the newly reconfigured Dulwich Junction?

Link to an article that provides a useful summary on reservations that some of us have https://www.onlondon.co.uk/dave-hill-leadership-is-required-to-combat-londons-selfish-cycling-culture/

I think you are right, since this is an important through route it could get very busy. Will this area have lots of storage for e-bikes, I wonder? Earl is now taking us off thread so suggest they do a new thread on the history of car access in Dulwich Park...this one is about LTNs. More pertinent is that DP is used as a through route for cycling commuters, including e-bikes.

Never a through route that I remember. People would park and visit, so really no different to now other than people pay to park. But it wasn't as though you ever had lots of people driving round the park or using it to get from A-Z. What has massively increased is cyclists using local parks as through routes and not all observe sensible speed limits. I have no issue with cyclists in the park other than when they use it as a velodrome. To get this back on thread; do we know if cyclists will have to dismount and wheel through the pedestrianised Dulwich junction?

Spot on.

I don't see those with serious reservations moving on at all. Momentum against some of these measures as well as dubious council behaviour seems to be building.

And yet here you are again, Earl, fixated on trying to persuade us that non-mandated junction re-configurations, with phase 3 only just released, costing millions of pounds, are a great idea.

Surely not. I mean words fail and there was me thinking my spoof conspiracy theory about LCC was far fetched.

There was 72 and also The Drum. Completely forgot about Black Cherry! The pubs all changed too. The Foresters?

There used to be loads of bric a brac and antique shops in ED. There was a guy called Rene who had one along from the station back in the early 80's. Quite a few on NX and then there was Austins towards Peckham. Does anyone remember Dave the greengrocer and his brother? The Junction Emporium was much more recent. I remember Target but never went in.

So why do you and a few others spend so much time on here trying to counter all and any anti local LTN and 'Vanity Square' sentiment? Why are you so seemingly pathologically obsessed with trying to close down what you say is a non issue, that you say is four years old and nobody cares about? You must admit it doesn't make sense?

I just thought I'd provide a counter conspiracy theory to the equally ludicrous stuff pedalled on here about closet Tories and the secretive and shadowy organisation that some think is directing them. Hahaha😂 Pots and Kettles Earl. Try all you like, go for every angle you can, as I said, there are enough locals now questioning these measures, this is not going away. If, as you keep protesting, this is a done deal with only a few voices against why are you so obsessed with trying your absolute best to shut it down. Why do you care? As you already know, many of us on here already cycle. Do try to get your facts straight. Another fact check ( goodness you are getting a bit Trumpian in your attempts to spin and derail) the suggestion is to have a referendum on this only, not on everything. That's because the Council were not mandated to waste millions on 'Vanity Square'.

But if such a tiny minority against, as you persist in telling us, why do you keep popping up to repeat this? Why bother? It seems a number of you are putting an awful lot of energy into trying to shut this tiny vocal minority down. It doesn't really add up, neither does the frequently parroted conspiracy theory that objectors are all closet Tories being directed by a shadowy organisation that has some as yet undefined political agenda. Another theory is that at least some pro LTN posters on here who are not local are LCC operatives with a political agenda of their own?

Blue Mountain was the first coffee shop on NX road and possibly ED. The Yellow door restaurant was in a house just along from what is now the Charter School. It was quite well thought of at the time. It had a yellow front door.

I think we are incredibly privileged to live in ED. I remember it when Blue Mountain and Grace and Favour opened- the latter the same day Blair and New Labour won for the first time. The Yellow Door was I think the only posh restaurant around . Prior to all that ED was a bit more ordinary but nice enough. The only time I remember anything close to rioting in ED was during the Brixton riots and the old Sainsbury's (now M&S) had a window smashed in.

Oh well, that's a new one. Proof you are not one of the LCC posting cadre, DKH? But, edited out of respect to the OP. Any news on your efforts to object to LTNs imposed in Lambeth?

"I am bored" seems to be the latest response from the pro LTN playlist, along with the laughing/ ridicule emoji and "this news is four years old, move on". Perhaps a list of responses is kept at LCC HQ, along with advisories on which LTN and CPZ consultations to input around the boroughs.

Now Earl, calm down. It is hard for you to understand that many of us will not willingly move on from what has been a pretty disgraceful and underhand performance by Southwark Labour. Note, as Rockets said, phase 3 of 'Vanity Square' only in place now. Spin away, but this is not going away.

Still here Earl? I thought you were bored of threads with this subject matter? I am sure the OP will let us know, Perhaps pushing through non-mandated LTN and traffic measure changes is not jtst s Southwark Council thing.

Earl, no need to hang around if you are bored. A number of us are glad objections to local LTNs have and continue to be voiced. I am afraid that is not going to change, much as you may like it to. I am also interested to find out from the OP if, unlike Southwark, LTNs in Lambeth are mandated.

Interesting reading. Agree with separating walking and cycling out. In my view, e- bikes cannot really be considered as active travel from a health perspective, especially if we discover kids are using Lime bikes to cover short distances they might have walked in the past.

Southwark Labour know that, as Alice says, lifelong Labour voters or even those on the fence would not stomach voting in a Tory council on a single issue. As many here also know, people rarely vote on single issues in council elections. Nonetheless, Labour knew very well that there is plenty of local opposition to LTNs, so they kept their spending plans very quiet in that regard. There is still no good answer as to how this 'green' council is happy to rent and ruin our park spaces while it gifts millions to an already wealthy area to have a piece of main thoroughfare turned into a 'square'. A space in which to "socialise" they say, when there are massive parks, numerous restaurants and a gallery on the doorstep. As Spartacus suggests, let's have a referendum on what has become a sticking point for many.

Absolutely no detail and 'new schemes' is typical fudging political speak. What is fair about spending literally millions on scheme to reconfigure a tiny area of road in the wealthiest part of the borough, during a cost of living crisis? Meantime, streets in less wealthy areas are left to rot. To this I would add that our allegedly greener council wants to sublet and monetise our precious local parks to the max...