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Just as another poster tried to use the issue of mental illness to underpin their point in a very inappropriate fashion, you have now chosen the serious issue of racism as a mechanism for what you call a bit of light hearted banter in an attempt to score points. As you observe, the sort of thing big dog would do. If the cap fits chicken!

Mr Chicken, mocking some cyclists for wearing lycra does not make you a racist, as you have tried to infer. Another hysterical leap to score points. To even go there suggests you are really scraping the barrel.

The mental health 'advice' was really clumsy, on so many levels. You say you get obsessed by some things but that you don't feel anger or hatred while insisting that others do feel anger, to the point they need help. Just because you and Mr C get wound up about negative comments calling out some cyclists, some cycling behaviour or a bit of mockery based on what a small subset of cyclists wear, doesn't make it hate, anger or obsession. It is just your view, perhaps even a little bit of projection.

This latest tactic to try to paint anyone that voices objections to local LTNs or makes a negative observation about some cyclists, as having mental health problems is pretty dire. How much lower do you want to go to try to score a point?! The only one 'spewing hatred' is you.

I think that's because the aim is to deflect and deny.

I think it is going to be a very frustrating transition period, probably for the council too and Cllr Williams' letter to Lime shows they are all too aware. The problem is it all looks a great idea on paper ( and helps the council tick off points on its Movement Plan) but human behaviour gets in the way. There is probably enough information on how the e-bike schemes have bedded in elsewhere, including other countries, to have meant some of the current issues could have been anticipated and maybe better planned for. Do we know if at the end of the trial period next year there will be any sort of consultation?

In the council report it says e-bikes are on trial in Southwark until May 2024; the e-scooter trial is across all London. They will be extending parking bays across the whole borough but claimed in the report that (at that point) parking was not an issue. They aim to introduce cargo bikes for hire. This is all to meet the mission points in their 2020 Movement plan, but I do not remember that being mentioned in their most recent manifesto. I cannot recall any sort of consultation on any of this, can anyone else?

Mal, did you intervene to get Cllr Williams to write the letter? I cannot see why or on what grounds anyone would give it a thumbs down?!

Thanks Ed pete, it'll be interesting to see what impact this has.

"No one thinks that riding a powered bike on a pavement isn't inconsiderate and dangerous. But it's another good rhetorical device to ask about 'those that do', if you're looking to be divisive I guess." EarlA I don't know if you live in ED but, if you do, I find it hard to believe you have not seen anyone cycling on the pavement, including on an e-bike? Remember, this is about ED, not e-bikes in general. Rather than fall back on your cognitive biases line, how about a solution? If use of e-bikes is on the increase ( with Council support) how are likely breaches like riding bikes of any sort on pavements without dedicated cycle lanes to be 'policed' and 'penalised'?

I disagree. There are clear speed limits in place and therefore absolutely no reason for speeding ( people speed in Devon too and country roads are notoriously dangerous). Why the Council won't put a camera in on such a well used road, when they can do it elsewhere, is not clear. Perhaps someone has the answer?

Hoping to get an answer to this. I should also add that for me at least, this is not a debate about LTNs in general. I appreciate that general data will be used to support the idea that they work locally. However, my interest is in being persuaded that local LTNs are beneficial to all ED residents equally.

With a view to avoiding another lounging and to get the thread back on track, is there any sort of update on the above?

As a cyclist I simply say what I see and experience. Most of the so-called anti-cyclists on here also cycle. I think trying to frame the experiences of others as "spewing anti-cyclist hate" is OTT. You cannot make genuine issues just disappear by telling others to shut up and put up or, as others have done, advise those who disagree with you to seek intervention for mental health problems.

I've seen them ridden on the pavement and I am pretty certain I am not alone in that so I think the title is fair.

In terms of music Gala definitely better, it is a music festival and PITP is not. If it were literally only a matter of three days that Gala caused upheaval and sectioning off of the park, I doubt there would be the objections there have been. It is the matter of huge fences, lack of access, a change to the feel of the park for a month in the best weeks of summer that is the problem. As Fishboy also mentioned, weeks of generator noise and floodlights is just not acceptable or ecologically friendly.

https://check-long-term-flood-risk.service.gov.uk/map?easting=534795&northing=175338&map=SurfaceWater This is from Environment Agency. I think the flood element is genuine but the sudden need to fell mature, healthy trees is very iffy. Friends of Peckham Rye are furious and have published a notice to say they were not consulted about the tree felling aspect despite being a stakeholder. They say the works are being arranged to best suit the contractor. Another view might be, as Penguin suggested earlier, removing trees creates more event space for the future. Is this another Cllr Rose 'special'?!

I wonder what the motivation is for all this? Southwark is fiercely protective of trees, including street trees, it makes no sense. I'm not sure I buy the access point. If you read through plans for this work there is a huge amount about protecting trees and tree roots. This 'access' issue seems to have snuck in last minute.

Yep, a new low, using the serious issue of mental health to try to score points in some way. Pretty revealing really.

https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/files/C956F09DB0E8BEB9518C7093109A814E/19_AP_5692-SOUTH_BUND_PROPOSED-843280.jpg This is all I can find, which dates back to 2020. Much is made of tree protection. Are the new plans a change to this https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/files/59EAB2329129709EABAAD4A0EF4335BF/pdf/19_AP_5692-COMMITTEE_REPORT-3651037.pdf

Tried to get through on the link and got a server error message. Anyone else having same issue? There may be very compelling reasons for doing this work now but what are they exactly? That area has always been a bit marshy but it has never been a problem that I am aware of. Won't felling trees increase the drainage issue in that roots suck up water? Very happy to learn more from those in the know.

I am hoping someone is able to let us know about the revenue benefits of Gala specific to Peckham Rye ( and not, I hasten to add, to cut down healthy trees). Also what free events will be funded?

Abe that has also been my experience and I agree with you. Typical born-again cyclist response above. The worst offenders are those former car drivers who enjoyed speed and 'handling' the car. I think certain risk taking behaviours and the desire to go as fast as possible transfers to their new vehicle of choice, when they adopt cycling.

@cohen22 Never had a problem with the small scale events on the Common. They have never involved sectioning of some choice areas of park with ugly, high metal fencing for months, no security guards, little if any damage to the park. My concern is I can see an agenda for PR to go the way of Brockwell Park, that is extremely large scale events all summer. Those events are not free. It is using the park as a private events space.

JohnL possibly crossed wires? I was referring to why the need for an events space on the so-called Dulwich Square/ public highway. I imagine you thought I was referring to Peckham Rye as an events space? Or maybe, quite correctly, you were bringing the subject of the thread back to Gala? Anyhow, I guess the issue of whether Dulwich Square should "host" some 15 events per year probably deserves its own thread. I still hope someone can say how much revenue Southwark gets from Gala and how much of that is used to 'improve' Peckham Rye and specifically in what ways and also which free events will be funded from that revenue over the coming months?