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And still, nothing from Malumbu and others about the cyclist I encountered a few evenings ago on a narrow residential street path. He made me step back onto the kerb to let him through. The road was empty. The silence of most speaks volumes, you all clearly think this is fine. Of all the pro LTN folk on here, only Earl has said this kind of behaviour is wrong. On a thread about cycling on pavements, to choose to ignore a relevant comment and instead meander off into some monologue about advanced motoring skills is deflection of the most blinkered kind.

I also agree.

I have always been clear that I think dangerous/ careless driving is abhorrent and would support higher penalties as well as more compulsory courses. I do not seek to minimise the issues caused by irresponsible driving behaviour. I was also struck by how many of the examples of problematic vehicle use cited earlier by another poster involved those used for delivery or work. That is part of the problem. We are dependent on vehicle use in complex ways and simply trying to punish or shame users into 'compliance' is not the solution. The behaviour of organisations like Dulwich Roads seems to draw a lot on the stick approach and comes over as tribal, simplistic and a great way for spleen venting- little more. But, all that said, what I also find objectionable is the largely dismissive approach to careless cycling behaviour by those who seek to rid our area of cars. I actually find it bizarre. The same sort of behaviour that drives careless driving is likely to be behind careless cycling. Why wait for the second to increase and get worse? From where I am sitting that is exactly what some of you seem to be doing.

We are cyclists who are criticising certain cycling behaviours which are on the rise and need to be addressed. Why do you have such a problem doing the same? What do you think about the cycling behaviour I described above? Okay, not okay? Or will you just do your usual deflection routine " yeah but what about the cars and why are you all so angry"...?

Because Earl, this is a thread about careless cycling and cycling on pavements in particular. What about incidences like the one I describe a couple of posts above? What say you about choosing to cycle on a narrow pavement, no intention to dismount, even though you see two pedestrians in front of you on the same path? Instead, merrily making them step aside to let you through...oh and this next to a residential street that is completely devoid of any traffic? This is the thin end of the wedge. Surely even you can see that? What do we do about it? Or is point scoring with another poster your priority?

This evening, on one of the smaller residential streets off Lordship Lane, a cyclist trundled towards me on the narrow footpath and smiled at me as I stepped back onto the kerb to let him continue past - I did not really have much choice. The road was completely empty. I am reminded of Penguin's earlier post that many cyclists now seem to think they are simply pedestrians on two wheels. Quote

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Watching scrutiny sessions is the best way of determining what might happen. Southwark do have concerns about Lime and these have been articulated in meetings, but Lime are holding out one big fat carrot, which is funding infrastructure for hybrid use. It's going to be hard for the cash-strapped council -allegedly, except when it's Vanity Square and its Indian import paving- to turn that offer down.

I am aware of a spate of penalty notices being handed out to cyclists in the City of London, but not locally? If this is happening then that is a good thing, however from what I have seen locally it is not having the desired deterrent effect.

Remind us, where did Rockets say they "absolutely hate" Dulwich Roads? Why the casual misrepresentation? We have legislation and penalties in place to address careless driving; there is virtually nothing to address that of careless cycling. The "solution" seems to be to wipe out all cars (totally unrealistic) and just ignore the growing cycling issue.

I have to repeat Rockets question as to how many accidents, collisions or RTAs Mal had been involved in, especially those where they have been at fault? It sits oddly with the frequent advisory tone to others. I still cannot understand why it is so problematic to look at the relatively recent issues associated with careless cycling. Recent because more people are cycling, especially those using e-bikes, hire or otherwise. How would you address some of the emerging problems with careless cycling?

Does anyone know what actually happened?

I don't want to take this off thread so briefly, in a recent S'wark Council Scrutiny session, a young guy presented on barriers to cycling and expressed perspectives/views on cycling that he felt were held in some communities that were a significant barrier to adopting cycling as a means of transport. These are not my views, but what have been raised by Southwark. They are keen to see a more ethnically/culturally diverse cycling demographic in the borough and are trying to find ways to make this happen. Currently, I am more concerned about the amount of careless cycling behaviour I am seeing at Dulwich Square.

This is a forum where views are expressed, I am not that interested in whether you find them interesting or not. The subject of the thread is cyclists taking over paths. If you want to discuss diversity in greater detail then start another thread on that. Again this evening, more cyclists running red lights at Dulwich Square.

Except this is really a forum for local ED issues. I suspect most forum members are responsible drivers and adhere to legal speed limits etc.. I very much doubt anyone on this thread supports dangerous or illegal driving, which seems to be your implication? On the other hand, there do seem to be growing local issues with careless cycling. I have witnessed this two nights running around Dulwich Square, where cyclists are running red lights at speed, and more. I get the impression certain posters on this forum do not see this as an issue at all. I also think there is an accident waiting to happen at that junction, because some cyclists are not cycling responsibly.

Two nights running, have witnessed cyclists going at top speed through Dulwich Sq cycle area, not slowing down or paying heed to pedestrians crossing. Saw several go through red lights at same junction. Another separate three forced pedestrians to stand aside while they cycled through the extremely narrow area reserved for pedestrians, next to the fenced off roadworks, adjacent to Dulwich Sq. They also ignored the cyclists on diversion sign. Not a great thing to do at night either.

I am all for residents clearing leaves, see my earlier post. But most won't. A few of us do. Do you?

Yeah, okay DKHB, point made. However, I have not seen the same level of leaf drop, as in lying on pavements, in DV as around ED and I don't think we have more trees. Perhaps it is just that DV pavements are cleared earlier.

I agree with all this. This policy should have been made at the outset, when loft conversions became a 'thing' or not at all.

Looking at the list link posted by KK (thank you), I cannot see mention of Lordship Lane? However, it says Dulwich Village and Dulwich Common? So does this mean that a main road in the wealthiest part of the borough gets leaf fall cleared but Lordship Lane does not? It looks as though leaves on many residential streets will not be cleared at all? I rarely see residents clearing leaves, do we need a campaign to get this going?

Malumbu but you replied to my post with the following: "Perhaps you could do more to championing this mode of transport, rather than demonising cyclists, including white middle class males." So what did you mean by the above, exactly?

A local Labour councillor said there is an issue- do you think they were making it up? It is Southwark Labour who have identified an issue and are looking for ways to resolve it. Are you saying they are demonising white middle class males?

Maybe you need to present your evidence to Southwark Council scrutiny, as there is a view that in this borough (not the borough you live in, I know) there is an issue.

At the latest Environment scrutiny session very interesting to hear a Peckham Labour Councillor complaining about cyclists on pavements, next to cycle lanes, ringing at pedestrians on the pavement to move out of the cyclists way. She also comments on negative impacts of e-bikes. There was also an interesting presentation on cultural barriers to cycling and it seems we have a very long route before it becomes the preferred mode of transport for anyone other than middle class white men. Other barriers mentioned, like high bike theft. Another councillor said he had given up owning a bike as he had so many stolen in recent years, in London. So there may be more places to store bikes in the street, but will they be secure? Back to paving, clearly if councillors are expressing reservations in scrutiny meetings there is a real and growing issue with cycling behaviour.

Ah yes, it can only be that; and pigs will fly.