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Such a shame you have to sign up to it, can't you just cut and paste the contents on here or make it available for residents to read on your website? I don't quite understand why the newsletter needs a separate space you have to sign in to?

Yes it was but some, myself included, thought it looked pretty ugly. I hope we can have a really proper go at rallying support and effort among dog owners to make a big change. There has not been any sort of campaign or real intervention before and perhaps Some funding could go towards this. Before fencing off areas and taking out wholesale bans we should have a go at galvanising owners to be much more vigilant around their own behaviour as well as other people

Rch, Yes, I think it does need a conscious, community- minded push where those who forget to pick up are reminded by others. No bad thing to apply this to litter in general. I am genuinely appalled by the amount of broken glass everywhere. Just about every park visit I have found a piece..where is it all coming from? Should there be a ban on taking glass items into the park?

Good idea

Possibly the time has come for responsible dog owners to sort this and start to be proactive, not only in picking up after their own dog but those of others. If you see an owner not paying attention then flag it up. Carry spare bags. I would hate to see a dog ban on the Green because it might start the ball rolling for outright bans in other areas too and that would impact massively on dog owners and their dogs. I have always loved how dog friendly ED is, let's not lose that privilege! On a separate note, I never cease to be amazed at how laissez faire everyone is about broken bottles and glass, both on pavements and in the park. Okay not as revolting and does not present the same potential health risks, but there are risks nonetheless. Before anyone jumps on me, I am not in any way excusing dog poo, it is disgusting and needs sorting. However, I personally find the broken glass issue to be a real problem and it has also got worse- in my experience at least.

None of us want to, but perhaps the easiest solution would be if the majority of responsible owners pick up a few other deposits when out with their own dog? It does let the anti social brigade off the hook but these personality types are not likely to change and perhaps others doing the 'dirty' work is the simplest option. I only say because otherwise all dog owners risk being banned, we also risk playing into a scenario where PSPO monitoring is parceled out to private policing companies.

Well, I suppose that is my point really. There are impatient, speeders on just about any vehicle and they take risks. It is perhaps the mindset that needs adjusting and not the type of vehicle. I have felt intimidated by 'fellow' car drivers and by 'fellow' cyclists, by scooter/ motorbike drivers too, you name it. At source is the same issue, The person is in a hurry and demands you go faster or they overtake you in whatever manner they choose.

Agree it is an issue but then speeding cyclists will also cut up those who are slower.

In the consultation replies there is a letter from the local residents assn, presumably representing them, that states that the land is MOL and therefore cannot be built on. If it is built on it sets precendent for more MOL to be lost in future.

Any insights as to options currently on table? In my view, it would be a shame to lose SELDOC. I don't have much faith in Concordia, the outfit that I gather has won the contract to run the new health centre.

Mumofone, where do you think SELDOC will go, please share if you can?

Yes, it would be great if similar could be introduced in UK. Many animals and some people suffer badly with the noise.

Absolutely no political motivation on my part. Just irritation at time spent trying to sort it out. Glad you at least got a reply to your query. It does help to have a response, together with a written reassurance your bags will continue to be collected in the interim. Despite asking for the same, a written response was not forthcoming when I asked for it.

Hi James, Do we know when large, brown garden bins will be delivered? I now have a sticker but no bin to put it on. I have tried on multiple occasions to speak to a decision maker at Southwark Council and they are either in meetings or about to go into one and never return calls or make any attempt to communicate, despite Southwark holding my address, my email and my phone number. Customer services personnel are incredibly vague about it all and repeat a mantra along the lines " you should get a bin soon". However, I get the impression they have no idea themselves and can offer no explanation as to the delay. Whoever is overseeing this mess really should be publicly accountable instead of hiding behind Council phone operatives. Can you advise us who is in charge of this James?

I wish posters would stop falling back on easy insults like 'nimby' and 'curmudgeon' in order to justify a point. Whenever perceptions about noise impact differ from the views they hold and by extension think everyone else should also hold, there is a tendency to start to attack the poster for daring to express an opposite or different view. As Angelina points out, her parents are not anti children and just because they found noise levels at Kew intolerable does not make them curmudgeons either (a nasty and unecessary comment). It is a fact that hearing changes with age and this may have some bearing on lowered tolerance to certain sounds. All of these parks are shared spaces for the use of all, we should remember that. As it happens, I do not have a problem with the Horniman plans, they seem okay to me, but I am sympathetic to concerns about noise and feel those concerns should be expressed without posters feeling they will be shot down in flames for so doing.

elloriac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've received my sticker but still no big brown > bin to attach it to. Anyone had a bin delivered > yet? Ditto

Where this has really gone wrong is if you have paid up and subscribed but do not yet have a brown bin but do have some brown bags. It is not clear if your brown bags will be collected in the usual way, until such time as a brown bin appears? And, once the bags run out are you expected to buy more until the brown bin appears? I am hoping and assuming that it is not now a case of having to buy more bags as well as organise pick-ups, despite having paid for the garden waste service?

A few weekends ago when the weather was warmer and we were outside, I counted planes coming over at around 1 every minute, they were low too. rollflick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In response to those absolutist, bah humbug > comments above, over 28% of all the people in the > EU affected by the highest levels of aircraft > noise are under the Heathrow flight path, many of > them here in south London. While Concorde was just > a few times a day, the flights now are far more > frequent and as often as every 90s, especially > first thing in the morning. There are serious > economic and health impacts, putting more pressure > on our NHS for instance. > > As this recent report by the London Assembly notes > there are particular issues for those areas also > affected by City but also practical solutions such > as respite periods and opposing further expansion: > > https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/airc > raft-noise-report.pdf > > Definitely agree about the need to measure noise > with windows open for hot summer nights, which are > being made more extreme by air travel induced > climate change. Unless Heathrow wants to buy us > all double glazing, A/C and zero carbon > electricity to power them that is.

I cannot understand how Southwark have managed to print leaflets, market the scheme online, charge and take money for the service but yet not have the necessary equipment available to make it actually useable. I'd love to get to the bottom of who is overseeing this.

I'm not sure the 'service' has been rolled out at all.

If the dog has a bite history and caused deep punture wounds requiring medical attention, there might be reason to take drastic measures but it is not clear if this incident involved a bite, as in bruising and wounding, or was more of a nip. The latter is obviously anti social and unpleasant but should not mean the dog is PTS. As others have suggested, muzzling and training are probably more appropriate in that sort of scenario.

Thanks James and fingers crossed.

Thanks for your reply James, In regard to garden waste, some like me have paid up the ?25 but have no brown bin or sticker! At the time of signing up and paying, I asked for and ordered both a brown bin and a sticker. You say the stickers are on the way but what about the bins? Historically I have used brown bags so I take it the waste company will continue to collect these until the mystery bins and stickers finally appear? I have tried and failed on four separate occasions to phone into the relevant department and get any coherent explanation of what is going on or a timeframe for delivery of the bins. Why has Southwark taken payment for a system that has not yet been properly setup and organised?

I assume that James McAsh will clarify what, on the face of it, looks to be an appalling shambles. Does this mean the consultations have been a waste of time - not to mention money- or are they necessary to trigger a borough-wide CPZ? MarkT Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > James, on the subject of the Council?s plan to > introduce a borough-wide CPZ: > > May 6 I quoted Southwark?s Local Implementation > Plan, dated October 2018 > ?? To enable us to better manage limited space, we > will introduce more Controlled Parking Zones with > the aim of covering the whole borough by 2025.? > > May 15th, you responded: > MarkT and TheArtfullDogger > Thanks for raising this with me. I have looked it > into and am still confused by the reference in > this document. Cllr Livingstone is looking into it > further but assures me that nothing borough-wide > is currently planned. Looking at trends across > London and other major cities, it is believed that > demand for controls will increase over the coming > decades but that is not consistent with the 2025 > date you quoted. I will find out more and let you > know. > > Hi MarkT > Just realised that the document you linked was a > consultation document and not the final version. > The final version includes no reference to 2025 > and instead talks about a general strategy to > reduce car use by 13% by 2041. > > James, > I see now that you are correct in that the > document I had previously quoted was the draft and > not the final version. > > Southwark?s Local Implementation Plan 3 Final > March 2019, states on page 25, > Mission 4 Reduce Traffic - How ? ?Introduce > Borough wide CPZ? > > So, Cllr Livingstone assures you that nothing > borough-wide is planned. > > So, you apparently read the relevant section in > the final version, noted the removal of the 2025 > date, but you did not confirm the retention of the > words ?Introduce Borough wide CPZ?. > > So, between the draft plan published in October > 2018, and the final version published in March > 2019, the Council carried out an elaborate > ?consultation? on local CPZs, promising selective > introduction, while the outcome is already > determined by the Local Implementation Plan to > introduce a Borough wide CPZ. > > James, in your responses above, you focussed on > the date of 2025, which is of course irrelevant to > our line of inquiry. The relevant fact, which is > now clear to me, if not to you and Cllr > Livingstone, that Southwark Council Plans to > introduce a Borough-wide CPZ.

I would also much prefer something other than pizza but we are in 'nappy valley' and I guess pizzas appeal to that demographic as an easy family meal out- most kids love it.