first mate

It is only one study but certainly confirms what I have read elsewhere.

Mako, agreed.

ED Bird Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Soylent Green, walkers are out for essentials, are > keyworkers & helping others. Joggers are only out > for themselves. It is not an essential activity. > Do you know what time NHS are in & out of work? Of > course you don't, so advice like "x time is free > for walkers" simply doesn't work, nor should > keyworkers have to work their lives around selfish > people. I just despair. We are hearing nurses and doctors on the frontline crying and literally begging people to stay in as much as they possibly can. The more we ignore this advice and do our own thing, the greater the burden we are heaping on those tasked with daily risking their lives to care for us. We are not clear about transmission risks and exact mode of transmission. A proportion of the population who are healthy, young and fit are at risk of serious illness and even if they survive they will likely suffer permanent lung damage. The problem is we cannot single them out, so we have to assume we are all equally at risk.

I?m not sure how helpful it is to infer that views that do not completely concur with your own are somehow not really valid and amount to no more than ?letting off steam?. Anyhow, so long as the majority continue to self-isolate and self-distance it is hoped we can end the current voluntary lockdown sooner rather than later.

Sally, what do you feel is the solution in terms of helping some members of society understand the importance of social distancing etc..or do you favour the herd immunity approach?

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My lurcher has been on lead for two years, he > don?t like it but that?s the way it has to be. > He?s an ex-hunting dog so if he can deal with it, > so can other dogs. > Not enough reason to close the cemetery IMO. > > I?m not seeing dog walkers ignoring distancing > there just cos their dogs are sniffing each other, > quite the opposite from my daily experience there > in fact. Spot on. A great opportunity for owners to play with their dogs more at home and then outside home it is on lead exercise.

Get your councillor to address this. Very unfair.

I?d love to know what proportion of those out in parks etc yesterday feel they have or have had a mild version of covid 19. It seems as though some must know they may be infectious but don?t really care.

Mate

ebeneezergoode Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Joggers (I'm one) need to take it easy. Stick to > early morning or evening and run in the road. > Remember we are breathing out hard - pushing > droplets far beyond 2 metres. Last week I was > visually reminded of this on a frosty morning in > Dulwich park - and I've not run in the park > since. > As for the spitters - I've seen a few... that's a > war crime! Thank you! You illustrate the problem perfectly. The jury is currently out on distance required to be safe when breath is forcefully exhaled (coughing, sneezing, panting). With a light breeze to carry droplets further, who knows.

You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. For those in densely populated areas relinquishing lengthy exercise sessions outside of the home are a sacrifice we should all try to make for now. It is quite simple really. You have not said this, but others seem to feel justification for pursuing their individual exercise agendas is supported by the fact that not so many people are out exercising. A stance I really cannot get my head round.

The roads are only lovely and quiet because most people are currently staying in for anything but essential journeys. That will not continue if more people decide to take extended exercise sessions outdoors.

Grrr, what are people doing out in their cars? You?d think and hope that key workers driving to and from work would be careful so can only assume these are non- essential journeys by irresponsible opportunists.

Sally Eva Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And also this one on the psychological problems > caused by quarantine > https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.org/en/article/p > ub0002/?utm_source=Govdelivery&utm_medium=Email&ut > m_campaign=publichealth&utm_content=UKRI_owned Yes, again, fair enough. I think what I was referring to and I think we all know this, is the average healthy person who wants to keep their fitness up and is missing the gym or their 20 mile bike ride or regular run and feel that since the roads are currently so quiet this is a great opportunity for them to carry on as usual.If even a quarter of us start to follow suit there will be a problem. We all need to work hard, as hard as possible, to stay in and stop the NHS being overwhelmed as well as try to bring the current situation under control as soon as possible. There will obviously be exceptions but they will be the minority.

Fair enough. Let?s just leave the long cycle rides and similar to the likes of your friend. You rightly identify the coming change in weather as a reason more people will be tempted to get back out for lengthy bouts of non-essential exercise.

I would second this only to offer assurance that going to A&E should be a definite if your son is no better today. But, if you do, try to protect yourselves as best you can. GP practices need to be careful about developing tunnel vision with Covid 19.

Enough already. FIN!

The problem here is the rationale that since it is nice and quiet, the roads are clear, so ?I? can continue to get the daily exercise ?I? need. If everyone starts to think the same the roads etc..will not be clear for very long. My own view is if you are lucky enough to have a garden stick to exercise in there. For those that don?t have a garden a quick foray out is important but it is also possible to exercise indoors. We are not at a stage in this pandemic where people should be thinking anything other than essential journeys are ok. 10 mile bike rides, jogs or walks, are non-essential unless you are a key worker. I?d have thought most key workers at the end of a gruelling day are unlikely to want a long journey home.

I wonder if changing title may get you a quicker response? I hope you get what you need asap the Drs, nurses and auxiliary staff stepping up to work at the Nightingale are real heroes and you feel that down the line there should probably be some kind of service medal for those who will have put themselves in harms way for the greater good.

Area A Melbourne Grove experiences high levels of motor vehicle traffic currently - this could increase if some of the above proposals are implemented. We want to explore options with residents for either:- a northbound no entry restriction (south of the Tell Grove junction); or a permeable closure (no motor vehicles) between Tell Grove and Ashbourne Grove. Madness, absolute madness.

Buying icecream, takeaway coffee- both witnessed today- madness.

Not only that, this is meant to be a socialist council- go figure. Think this shows it has always been about the money. If not, why the need to plough ahead when there is so little traffic out there? I agree, community wardens on scooters could be put to much better use.

Thanks Monica. Perhaps Southwark Parking have yet to take this advice on board?

James, on another thread it is stated that Southwark Parking have confirmed that the new CPZ will go live on Monday and that parking wardens will be out to enforce? Is this true? What was Cllr Livinstone?s response to your suggestion, on behalf of residents, that for now the new CPZ and consultation should be suspended?

James McAsh, I have copied below from another thread on the general section. Surely this cannot be right? Can you please explain why Cllr Richard Livingstone feels it necessary to continue this work at the moment? I believe he is the person who decides? CROZZA said: looks like everyone in the effected area needs to move there cars on Monday. Utterly crazy. Not helping the isolation and must affect 100s of vehicles. Surely this can be stopped. Great to see the parking police out in force too. Surely that?s not essential?? Attachments: BECED759-74EA-41D7-9784-31AC3CDAB823.jpeg (548.9KB)