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On that basis alone, we can probably also agree that cycling fast through a park, when there are many other park users around (children on two wheels, pedestrians, dog walkers), is not a good idea. Adhering to 5mph seems sensible enough. I always cycle at snail's pace through local parks for that reason. As I have also mentioned, Lime bike users seem among the worst for speeding. Perhaps it is very difficult to cycle very slowly on powered bicycles?

You seem to be advocating this, so you tell us? If you think children on foot should be kept on a lead, then what about children on bikes, scooting or wheeling?

Haha, very droll. Or, you could simply ask all park users on paved areas to be mindful of other users- dogs should be kept on lead and not allowed to career around paved areas, toddlers and young children carefully supervised, and cyclists or other wheelers, observe park speed limits and always give way to pedestrians.

Within Peckam Rye Park, it is my understanding that dogs are ideally kept on lead on paved areas (unless obedient), they must be on lead around the pond and inside the Japanese and American Gardens, and they are not allowed at all in the Arboretum, which is fenced off. Dogs are allowed off lead on any of the playing fields and within the wooded area. Dogs do need areas in which they can run free. Clearly if there is a football game or similar then it is sensible to keep your dog on a lead (but not a requirement). However, unless your dog is very obedient, you'll probably put them on a lead rather than face irate football players. In any park it is probably wise and safer to have your dog on a shorter lead on any paved areas, likely to be used by cyclists and even cars- unless you have a dog that will walk to heel no matter what is going on. But, in my view, this should not give cyclists permission to use paved areas as race tracks- it may not be law but it is sensible and more fair to other park users, most of which are likely to be pedestrians.

This is very true. For some people, not even just the elderly, their pet/s may be their most important companion.

Where you have bicycles and pedestrians sharing space (with pedestrians taking priority as you would expect in a smaller park like Dulwich Park) doesn't it make sense to ensure riders slow right down? My main beef is with Lime bike riders some who seem to want to go as fast as they can in the park, sometimes listening to music through headphones. Is cycling fast with headphones plugged in, along a space shared with pedestrians a good idea?

Well now we know that Mal is possibly not even human (maybe a part bicycle cyborg) perhaps DKHB can be turned after all?

Anyone that is a regular user of Dulwich Park and Peckham Rye knows that dogs are not kept on lead in all sections, nor required to be. Anyway, this is not a thread about dogs but cyclists. I agree that cyclists should adhere to 5mph or less if lots of people around. In my experience, the worst offenders are Lime bike users. No doubt the temptation to hurtle through at 15 mph is too great

Ooh Mal, no hot date with DKHB for you then!

Thanks Earl, is Cllr Livingstone now the Cabinet Member in charge of streets?

I shouldn't have to. There ought to be publicly available information on CPZ implementation plans, especially for the streets involved, but it seems there is nothing. Rockets may have a point, perhaps this has all been put on the back burner until the elections are over.

@march46 Dogs do not have to be kept on a lead in all sections of the park. However, small children also wander around in every area of the park, so presumably you would at least concede that pedestrians should take precedence and cyclists should cycle slowly and with care.

Back to the MGS CPZ. The reduced CPZ was meant to begin in October, subject to statutory consultation. There has been no further consultation and the newer version of the CPZ has not been imposed. Does anyone know why? In the last SE22 magazine our local Cllr made no mention in his roundup? Does anyone know what is going on?

DulvilleRes more or less accused Rockets of lying about PCSOs as well as crime rates in Dulwich Village many months ago. It is one thing to disagree about interpretation of data but to insist that another poster's experience is a lie should be disallowed in my view, unless the 'accuser' has absolute proof. Accusing other posters of lying or suggesting they have mental health problems or are angry seems to be something of an MO for certain members of this forum.

Tiresome. This habit of obliquely calling other posters liars needs to be called out, even if done in a 'jokey'' way.