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If Obhama's Foreign Policy hadn't been so ineffectual and Ed Milliband hadn't been involved in a shameful episode of political opportunism, I feel things would have been far better in Syria and far fewer lives lost

I'm supportive of bombing the airstrips used for dropping chemicals on babies & kids. I think "Stop The War" should be renamed "Carry on with the Gassing". Nice to see that Corbyn with his usual mixture of idiocy on this too.

I'm plummeting down the table like my actual team :(

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Interesting how 'liberal' has become a catch-all > put down. Back in the day it would be 'Commie' or > 'Trot', then in more recent times 'Lefty'. Even > our very own Louisa is using 'social democrat' as > a put down :) ... It's the internet isn't it becuase in the US liberal means something else to here and not lefty. It's a bit laughable that the left over here think themselves as liberal when on many things many of them are not. I'm proudly a liberal BTW its 'the liberals' i can't stand :)

I feel sorry for my friends and forumites who care about Labour still it must genuinely be dispiriting to see this. I mean this by the way, I'm well past caring years ago personally, but I can still imagine what many people who care about Labour must be feeling. :(

I lived in Queens Park in the early 80s and we used to drink on the Kilburn High Road with regular 'collections' - I took my mate who was a squaddie to Biddy Mulligans one night :). There was also a loyalist pub on the Finchley Road, The North Star, that got blown up!

I think you're right there's much more of a trend towards 'experience' than things; the mobile and apps replace many 'things' we needed; the nomadic life of the modern renter makes owning many 'things' cumbersome and inflexible; etc etc

I think calling an anti-semetic cunt a silly sausage is missing the seriousness of it but that's the problem really

Some weird kind of equivalence there....80 years ago or yesterday......

hertburs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is there a reason why both of these routes are > operated with single decker buses? I presume that > it is normally because they go under low bridges > but I can't think of anywhere on the routes that > this applies. The greater capacity of double > deckers would certainly help. Yes - they are side road routes and the norm for these is single deckers for often very pragmatic reasons raround noise/size/traffic flow etc

No Jah - it's because I'm increasingly worried about our Premiership status and a Swansea win (or even point) would have been a bad result for us. Nothing to do with you or Chelski

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't support KL. I don't actually agree with > him at all. Hell, I don't actually like him very > much. > > But I do think there is a free speech issue here. You're confusing his right to free speech with whether he should remain in The Labour Party, a party which used to make fighting prejudice a key cornerstone of its existence

i was semi-trolling :)

Anyway KL is getting support and not just on here - George Galloway & Nick Griffin are onboard too

it's a sorry state of affairs for West Ham fans when you start celebrating a Spuds late goal(S) win like I did last night :(

David Baddiel's post on Facebook nails this for me...I can't C&P from work

KL, and the reactions, just reinforce what an utter cess-pit the upper echelons of the Labour Party are nowadays

and.....BUMP

?195 with stake I reckon - did you do 2 singles too?

Come on Loz - from the EU negotiating team after all the crap about remembering 'these are people' etc,

Anyway nice to see the good old EU using Gibraltans as bargaining chips - where's the outrage EDF or are we inconsistent and hypocritical in our hate on this sort of disgusting behaviour - moral high ground lost EU (not a surprise given their form/integrity though)

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rendelharris Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > uncleglen Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Lloyds of London (NOT to be confused with > Lloyds > > > bank)is a bunch of insurance brokers sitting > in a > > > building in the square mile- where they work > from > > > does not matter. All that matters is that the > > > 'names' underwrite the risks. The building > is > > > horrible and started the trend of vile > > > architecture dominating the London skyline > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd%27s_of_London > > > > I don't suppose anybody did confuse them with > > Lloyds Bank, do you? However, to say that from > > where the brokers do their work doesn't matter > is > > nonsense: the average broker salary at Lloyds > is > > around ?150,000, so for every one they send > abroad > > that's around a ?60,000 loss to the UK > exchequer. > > OK, they're only planning to send around a > hundred > > to Brussels at present, so that's "only" ?6M in > > lost tax/NI revenue, but if that's replicated > > across the city we're talking many billions > lost > > in direct revenue, plus their purchasing power. > It > > matters rather a lot, the UK economy is heavily > > shored up by London's position as one of the > > world's most important financial hubs, when > they > > go elsewhere we all lose out. > > Not to mention a *lot* of jobs lost. Both > directly and indirectly. I'm not being argumentative here but people have to think a bit wider..this isn't a non-moving vacuum so here's some random thoughts - we will lose some high end jobs, but not as many as the acoplytic forecasts predict but -numerous EU companies have pass-porting rights into the UK for finance if these go too (as they will if ours do) that creates opportunities and jobs here by EU companies having to set up here to access capital/have UK customers etc - if we come to no finance deal with the EU that creates opportunities in some reduced restriction/regulation which makes the UK a more attractive place for some financial companies, hedge funds and other forms of finance/investment etc - taking SOME of the froth off our over reliance on Finance and the City isn't a bad thing in the medium term (rebalance, house prices etc) - the huge amount of capital controlled, assetss managed & held here will look wider than europe for investment opportunities (it does already of course but this will be accelerated)and growth elsewhere is looking far healthier - there's a lot of bright and motivated people in London, we'll lose some but some will look and find opportunities not yet realized, we have far more flexibility, rules, ease of start ups, and access to finance for entrepreneurship than our big EU rivals -especially France and Germany -skill shortages is the potential issue here so that does need addressing. The general tone among the worried is that UK based business/finance/entreprneurship/capital will just sit here doing nothing whilst EU rivals chip away at it. Clever people are doing stuff now not waiting on dullard politicians. Finally, as I said before, nice to see finance, bankers, hedgefunders etc suddenly loved and adored by the Guardian and other lefties after 10 yesr of "feck em, stick them all in jail" lunatic rhetoric.

No we've got the egg chasing out of the way I'm ready to roll

I'm not and have never been a big fan of the EU but the uncertainty is self inflicted which is the main reason i voted remain. Funnily enough it's the 2-3 year vacuum that's the big issue for me - govt won't be able to concentrate on much else other than neh=gotitions whilst the public finances are still fucked and international businesses will vote with their feet. Where i agree with you is that events, whatever they are, create opportunties as well as threats so some good things will emerge - the relentless negativy or rose tinted positiveness is tedious. I am also chuckling that the general & ridiculous tone of banker/city bashing for the last 10 years has now been replaced by fear and horror at them 'going' by some of their most vocal critics (here and more generally).

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Hermits Cave Otta - (no apostrophe for the > pedant > > of the thread) > > > Actually there should be an apostrophe after the > s, hermits' (cave of hermits). If if were plural > it would be hermits caves (I think). > > And I agree with Otta above. Actually, I was being literal - there is no apostrophe on the sign or hanging board of "The Hermits Cave" (Sic) in SE5 and wouldn't the "Hermits' Cave" be a paradox wot with them being hermits?