paul_holdsworth

I couldn't have wished for two fairer responses than these last two from Quaywe and Ko - thank you. Living Streets are only making suggestions, and it is great that people are prepared to listen to me at all. So I'm going to take this opportunity to stop posting - but if you want to continue, I'll continue reading. I'd like to thank the Forum very much for such a useful site, and the nice people of East Dulwich who contributed to this thread. I can assure you that views posted here will help me produce a more accurate, balanced report. If the Forum's moderator could email me the contents of this thread (and the one called "Improving walking conditions on Lordship Lane") as a Word document - without the posters' names or email addresses, of course, I'd be even more grateful. If you want to know how this project proceeds, and can't make either of the events this week, then contact your councillor and ask to be kept up-to-date with the Community Street Audit. Thanks again Paul Holdsworth Living Streets

Bob, I love zebras for just that reason too. Zebras are brilliant outside secondary schools, for example, because teenagers are the sector of the population most intolerant of waiting for a green man. But zebras at roundabouts are tricky, because you have to analyse the intentions and speed of traffic coming from a number of different directions at once; that traffic has right of way over other traffic (because it's already on the roundabout); and it then has to give way to pedestrians on zebras - confusing for everyone. That's why in the past engineers set zebras well back from the crossing itself, with lots of guardrail to try to force pedestrians away from where they want to cross - just like they have done at Cobbs Corner! And what will happen when we're both too old to see further than the nose our faces? No friendly smiles and waves then, just stress, uncertainty, confusion and possible danger.

Huguenot Of course I meant my professional interest was not in buses and traffic - I used to commute by bus from Forest Hill to Vauxhall, along Lordship Lane, and I'm personally a big fan of public transport. Bad conditions for pedestrians deter walking, and this can mean no casualty stats on roads that are hazardous for walkers. Then try getting traffic calming on these roads, and some engineers say "There's no need, no-one's getting killed or seriously injured here". I know I wouldn't let my child near the Goose Green roundabout without adult supervision. TfL won't ONLY fund schemes that replace roundabouts with traffic lights, but a scheme that is good for pedestrians AND buses is especially attractive to them. I'll try to post pictures of neat, smart, modern crossings - now I know how!

Here's the original sixties picture - pavements are more or less where they are now. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/369060114_1ab8cb40ba_m.jpg Here's two suggested alternatives. NOTE! I'm not a traffic engineer, or a CAD engineer (how did you guess?) so these illustrations are NOT engineering drawings. It's obvious in the T junction picture, for example, that a bus coming up Kirkdale would not get round the corner onto Sydenham Road (i.e. towards the camera). The photos just show how space could become active footway, instead of dead traffic island or roundabout. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/369060118_899b219350_m.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/369060122_65fba3c9ff_m.jpg Does this help?