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Bloody labour noddies, who knew !

Yes great post James, of course if you were elected to the house on a nice fat pension you would know doubt perform a volte-face on the subject. Now for something more interesting, Everything you need to know about the great strike http://www.j30strike.org/ get on it.

James don't talk such utters rubbish. Trying to dress up the Lib Dem reforms as somehow part of your main stream party. Here read this and find out what is going on in your own party. You must really think that the electorate are just idiots, well thats an elitist view if their ever was one. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/a-slice-of-britain-lib-dem-guerrillas-plot-their-next-move-2299731.html As for your 2 babbling lap dogs , what is your point exactly ? I dont mean in your response just in your very purpose its lost on me.

What progressive liberalism are you talking about exactly that of the Orange bookers ? " The Orange Book: Reclaiming Liberalism, edited by David Laws (now the Chief Secretary to the Treasury) and Paul Marshall. Particularly interesting are the contributions of the Lib Dems? present leadership. Published in 2004, the Orange Book marked the start of the slow decline of progressive values in the Lib Dems and the gradual abandonment of social market values. It also provided the ideological standpoint around which the party?s right wing was able to coalesce and begin their march to power in the Lib Dems. Clegg and his Lib Dem supporters have much in common with David Cameron and his allies in their philosophical approach and with their social liberal solutions to society?s perceived ills. The Orange Book is predicated on an abiding belief in the free market?s ability to address issues such as public healthcare, pensions, environment, globalisation, social and agricultural policy, local government and prisons. The Lib Dem leadership seems to sit very easily in the Tory-led coalition. Now we see a Government made up of a single elite that has previously manifested itself as two separate political parties and which is divided more by subtle shades of opinion than any profound ideological difference. Orange Book contributors Laws, Cable, Clegg, Huhne and Davey are all Oxbridge-educated, as is Danny Alexander, the other member of their cabal. Four of the five went to private schools. (Cable was a grammar school boy.) These men ? significantly, they are all men ? have never had to struggle financially, socially or academically. Clegg went to the expensive Westminster school, as did Huhne. Clegg was also educated at his family?s expense in the United States and at the exclusive College of Europe in Bruges. He was a member of the Conservative Association at Cambridge University and subsequently an integral member of Tory European Commissioner Leon Brittan?s private office in Brussels. So it?s no wonder that he feels comfortable with the Tory Party and its leaders. " Ah so a populist party has had its direction shifted from within.... " The only faction within the Liberal Democrats that would have been able to oppose the relentless drive to the right in their party, the Beveridge Group, made up of social liberals who are convinced that the role of the state should be as a force to increase social welfare by state intervention, has been emasculated. Aside from Chris Huhne, only two of its 28 members in the House of Commons have been given ministerial posts ? and inconsequential ones at that, as deputy chief whip and junior transport minister. " Maybe we will have the bizarre situation where its the conservatives who oppose the fasctist tendancies of the liberal elite within. These liberals who harbour a desire to form a powerful state which coordinates a society where everybody belongs and everyone is taken care of; where there is faith in the perfectibility of people and the authority of experts; and where everything is political, including health and well-being. Mmmm funny that sounds a bit familiar, were the national socialists big on organic food? Its funny when you watch those clegg debates back on you tube, how arrogant he is, as if he has the authority of THE expert. Not so funny now however.

My point exactly, so you agree the first response was wildly over the top. I think it goes further than saying it is an interesting academic exercise it actually ends with "Goldberg's case survives" bit off a difference. Do I think that blogging about a range of subjects that effectively exclude, isolate or push to the edges of your own personal boundaries, particular groups within society as having its roots in fascism then yes i do. Dressing that up as Liberalism is even bloody worse.

Odd .... "maybe the systems broke" that does not seem like a playground insult to me unless liz u went to a really 'special school'. And whats T3 got to do with it. Terminator ? Governor of Califonia ? affair with a Nanny? I'm lost Anyway as for flashing buttons up there is not exlusion from the body politic an example of fasiscm, is that not a definition, have a little think about that Hugenot and come back with something. It does not matter how you do it, flashing button, postcode change, wall, briar fence. As for goldberg here's a less emotional take from that left wing Red top the Gaurdian " Liberal Fascism is a bracing and stylish examination of political history. That it is being published at a time when Goldberg's free market has failed and big government and charismatic presidents are on their way back in no way invalidates his work. Hard times test intellectuals and, for all its occasional false notes, Goldberg's case survives. "

Your a bendy bus?

"What on earth is that supposed to mean? " The modern progressive left is the heir to the fascism of the 30?s and 40?s. It is only meaningless to you Hugenot because you are ignorant of the history involved. Start with H G Wells.

There you go liz, you answered your own question. Maybe the systems broke.....what now dear?

Here you go http://www.rmtv.org.uk/ Enjoy.

Nope not broken, just putting their feet and watching the bizarre spectacle of the Con/Lib mating dance.

Ok so lets gets this correct, the self infalted ego windbag that goes by the nom de burk, hugenot, states the following: " Bob Crow's reputation at the RMT is such that it attracts militant yobs into its ranks who use threats and menaces to get their own way. The 'democratic endorsement' of this crowd is hardly worth the ballot papers they use. " So is he is saying that militant yobs, decide to change their careers and re-train as tube workers or bus drivers or freight drivers, or offshore workers in order to fulfill their militant after hours tendancies ? Christ who knew they were so dedicated. So windbag is saying they are like sleeper cells who have taken over the our rail and maritime workforce ready to flash their militant tendancies at the appointed hour......? So in the Huge (not) windbags own words......"now that is embarrasingly silly" is he a another incarnation of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf .....probably.

???? your not right in the head mate, you have been blowing far to many bubbles it's adled your brain. " PS Workers going to continue to defy economic reality and when it comes down to it principles of fairness for society as whole on this issue? " who's economic reality ? your limited grasp maybe ? As for principles and fairness for society on a whole, thats what the modern unions are fighting for, you just don't get it. Then wonder boy in his idignant rant goes onto answer his own bloody questions " the vast majority of private sector employees (the majority of employees) who are on average wages, have massive job insecurity and inadequate private pension provision " Yes well done, why do you think that is ? because they have not organised a union within their workplace and have been subject to private sector management creating dog eat dog workplace ethics, while their T+C's have been stripped away and turned into shareholder profit. People like you ranting about union figure heads like Bob Crow, buying into conservative and liberal propaganda have been aiding the anti union messages turning young people of getting involved and re-directing the unions. Its bloody ridiculous. Bob Crow as 1 example has 40000 members who vote democratically on ballots that are presented to them, do you really think he can control how these people vote? its a proposterous piece of right wing propaganda. And while you sit there mouthing off and doing the work for them, their mates in big business sit back and take the bloody money. your a fool and a claret one at that.

Now they have that ginger headed school boy, fagging for Osbourne, trying to scupper the talks being held by the joint unions. The conservatives are set the unions up for a fight, hoping to break them, strip out more terms and conditions for workers. This is just so companies can stutter on for another 4+ years, keeping their noses above the profit margins at the expense of people's living and working conditions. Then what happens when there is finally nothing left to cut, then the wheels fall off. Osbourne and hsi boy servant Gary Alexander retreat to their castles. It's funny how silent , the rest of the Liberal front bench were on this, I bet your embarassed , you should be, your bloody fascist liberal credentials are clear for all to see, well and truly outed, Well done.

Did someone really just post a world bank report ? really what's the point? Reading through most of these comments there basically mostly waffle and nonsense. Unions are about people together collectively. Most people who are anti union are a certain type of individual, generally selfish and of an immaturity that screams me me me. European law puts the the worker at the centre, it understands the worker as the foundation to employment law. This country does not, the worker is second or even third to profit. Most people in this country benefit from the unions, many do not contribute towards this, thats fact.

I agree with Mickney peirs, debate is great, this sort of things encourages that. Too many little turds stiffling it if you ask me. In regard to " if the woman wants to dress in a way that might attract a sexual partner " I would go as far to say that we all generaly do that, those that don't generally smell of wet biscuits.