sandyman

I've only had one PCN since the new measures were introduced but it's probably not a coincidence that it was in Lewisham in an area I rarely go through. The trouble is a lack of consistency. i went to visit a friend in Walthamstow and there were timed restrictions near his house but they were different to the times in Dulwich so I did have to do a serious doubletake to get my head round them. sandyman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry to hear this - your post highlights exactly > why i think my idea below should be adopted. > > I think for the first few weeks warnings were sent > out to "offenders" but that's no good for someone > who uses this route once a year. > > So I think everyone should get a warning the first > time they "offend" - however long the restrictions > have been in place. > > I live nearby and walking down Townley Road > earlier this week came across an elderly lady > holding a PCN in her hand - even though the photo > evidence was all there she could not work out what > she had done wrong until I walked her further down > the road to show her the signs. i think you'd have > to be pretty heartless to say if she can't take in > road signs like that you shouldn't be driving. I'm > much younger and I've had to pause to study them > to work them out (or maybe i shouldn't be driving > too).

Sorry to hear this - your post highlights exactly why i think my idea below should be adopted. I think for the first few weeks warnings were sent out to "offenders" but that's no good for someone who uses this route once a year. So I think everyone should get a warning the first time they "offend" - however long the restrictions have been in place. I live nearby and walking down Townley Road earlier this week came across an elderly lady holding a PCN in her hand - even though the photo evidence was all there she could not work out what she had done wrong until I walked her further down the road to show her the signs. i think you'd have to be pretty heartless to say if she can't take in road signs like that you shouldn't be driving. I'm much younger and I've had to pause to study them to work them out (or maybe i shouldn't be driving too).

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Just to add - if you don't mind a little walk last time I went to Kings the streets just after Ruskin Park opposite fox on the hill are only restricted for a couple of hours to stop commuters parking there. Sorry, don't know exactly what the timings are, but it might work, depending on your appointment time.

I'm curious to know when the offence kicks in - is it when you actually pass through the traffic lights during the prohibited times or do the cameras log you once you are queuing at the lights? What happens if you are sitting at the lights at 2.59 and the queue is so long it tips over into the banned time - would you be penalised for doing a three point turn at the lights?

Thanks for posting this. Did they give the reason that they cancelled the fine? Your reference to conflicting info about PCN saying representation must be by post, but website lets you do it online was the case with my Lewisham PCN too but I didn't know this might possibly enable me to get the fine cancelled. I've paid now but maybe i can quote this bit and ask for a refund? boomshake22 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i appealled to the fine entering dulwich village > and was successful , i have attached my letter > please edit as required > you can simply submit this online on the southwark > parking website, that what i did, add your own > pics > > good luck with this,,, it is an absolute disgrace > of a cashcow charge

Lack of clarity/transparency in the process is part of the problem. I received a penalty in Lewisham where there was a similar scheme to Dulwich Village. I appealed immediately but didn't hear anything back so after two weeks I paid the fine to avoid it doubling on the basis that it would be refunded if my appeal was upheld. Instead I received a letter saying that as I had paid the fine the case was closed. The scheme in Lewisham, by the way, has now been partly scrapped. rjsmall Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think it varies. Where I have had cause to > challenge a PCN in the past the 14 day period for > early payment was paused. If your informal > challenge is rejected by the council and you > decide to take it to the independent appeals body > then you have to pay the full amount if they don't > find in your favour.

Why can't they just give you an hour or 90 minutes free parking without the hassle of registering at a time when your mind might be on other things? That would cover most medical visits - presumably what they want to do is stop commuters parking there all day and the cameras already in situ could police that.

I read this as "Pizza Deliveries" Lockdown must be getting to me. Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I imagine their Pfizer deliveries are now > earmarked for second vaccinations, and AZ has a > much longer shelf life. But it can't harm to ask.

thanks - yes i'm still pursuing it. I posted the initial letter of appeal, but didn't hear back and after two weeks put PCN number into the Lewisham website and it said if ?65 fine not paid by the next day it would increase to ?130 so I paid it because it said on the site that if appeal was accepted fine would be refunded. Instead I received a letter the following week saying that because i had paid the fine the case was closed... I've written back, still waiting for further response. KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Challenge the appeal ! If you were acting > reasonably and the signage wasn?t clear or open to > interpretation it?s definitely winnable. > I just won against rejected appeals on CC and > ULEZ, I?m now hassling them for compensation. If > they want to waste my time and threaten me, they > can pay me for my time ! > > sandyman Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Yes, i think one of the problems is consistency > of > > signeage (if that's a word) > > > > We recently received a PCN in Lewisham. The red > > sign said 'road closed' but there were no > planters > > or blockages - and lots of cars driving through > ? > > so we assumed it meant road closed further > ahead > > as is the case with the signs on Townley Road, > > close to where we live. > > > > Needless to say our appeal was turned down. > > > > > > > > Rockets Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > DKHB - the temporary restriction access ahead > > > signs have been added by the council recently > - > > I > > > think because their signs were confusing > people. > > > > > > > > The signs to which Cora refers do say No > > Through > > > Route and state the hours and days that the > No > > > Through Route applies and they have been put > up > > on > > > the roads approaching the closed roads - this > > is > > > why people are getting confused because they > > are > > > indicating that there is a closure ahead but > > don't > > > say where or how far away and given they a > red > > > signs some people are wondering whether they > > apply > > > from the threshold of the sign or somewhere > > else. > > > > > > Cora, as long as you don't cross the > threshold > > of > > > the bus gates during the hours of operation > you > > > will be fine. College Road is fine - just > don't > > > drive into Dulwich Village or Burbage at the > > > roundabout during the hours of operation as > > that > > > is where those bus gates are located. > > > > > > The signs are very confusing - especially for > > > anyone from outside the area who may not be > > aware > > > of the location of the closures.

I can't see any links in their posts - can you explain where the SEO links are? ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SmitN Wrote: > ----------------- > > Has somebody tried the new vaccine already? > ? How do you feel? Is it working? > > Do you have any purpose in joining this forum > other than to plant SEO links?

Yes, i think one of the problems is consistency of signeage (if that's a word) We recently received a PCN in Lewisham. The red sign said 'road closed' but there were no planters or blockages - and lots of cars driving through ? so we assumed it meant road closed further ahead as is the case with the signs on Townley Road, close to where we live. Needless to say our appeal was turned down. Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DKHB - the temporary restriction access ahead > signs have been added by the council recently - I > think because their signs were confusing people. > > The signs to which Cora refers do say No Through > Route and state the hours and days that the No > Through Route applies and they have been put up on > the roads approaching the closed roads - this is > why people are getting confused because they are > indicating that there is a closure ahead but don't > say where or how far away and given they a red > signs some people are wondering whether they apply > from the threshold of the sign or somewhere else. > > Cora, as long as you don't cross the threshold of > the bus gates during the hours of operation you > will be fine. College Road is fine - just don't > drive into Dulwich Village or Burbage at the > roundabout during the hours of operation as that > is where those bus gates are located. > > The signs are very confusing - especially for > anyone from outside the area who may not be aware > of the location of the closures.

yes, I know, but for people like Spider69 above who want to use the park but can't afford the charges it would potentially offer them early morning options and - particularly in the summer ? plenty of free access in the evenings. Sally Eva Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dulwich Park is locked at night (5pm at the > moment). Similarly Peckham Rye has an access road > which is closed with a metal gate at night.

Can you say if an option of introducing parking fees for, say, working hours of 8pm - 6pm as is normal for CPZ/restricted streets, was ever discussed? This would give those who want to use the park potential cheaper options outside main daytime hours. As far as i can recall not even Hyde Park charges drivers 24 hours a day to park. rch Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is another complicated discussion, but the > short version is that I managed to get the Dulwich > Park car parking charges put on hold when I was a > councillor (lobbying the cabinet member in tandem > with the Dulwich Park Friends) although I was told > that the issue would definitely resurface (as it > has). > > I then went to one of the open public consultation > meetings a year or two ago, whereupon I suggested > that residents who found it too difficult to walk > or take public transport to the park would rather > pay a fixed annual fee for a parking permit and > the councillor said that they might consider this > option in the future. > > By coincidence, I spoke to the park managers just > before the new charges came in and they told me > that they have a permit system in place for people > with health problems to be granted a free parking > permit if a doctor?s letter could confirm the > relevant health issues. > > The criteria states that the person has to be over > 64 years old and have mobility issues, but the > managers told me that they could override the age > criteria and even the mobility issues if the case > was convincing enough. > > It?s frustrating that this information isn?t being > made more openly available, and I would encourage > anyone with health problems to pursue the > ?mobility? permit option, so here?s more > information on the Dulwich Park Friends website, > including a phone number to call (but be aware > that this may take some time due to Covid):- > > https://dulwichparkfriends.org.uk/the-park/locatio > n-travel/ > > I would also suggest that residents could lobby > the new cabinet members to consider for an annual > parking permit to be made available to Southwark > residents, rather than having to pay ?2 for every > visit.

I thinks what's particularly harsh about Dulwich Park's parking regs is that they apply 24 hours a day. They are worse than parking restrictions in Oxford Circus. What would be fairer would be if they applied from 8.30am to 6.30pm like most restrictions. Then people who couldn't afford to pay could visit the park outside those times - admittedly this wouldn't be much help in the winter but it could be a great help in the summer when people want to get some fresh air. spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Dulwich Park Car Park is the same. One day I > counted only 11 cars and less on other days. > > When I asked the attendants they said this is now > the norm. All the old regulars no longer come and > the older generation with dogs no longer come > because of the cost. So a very useful social club > in these times has stopped.. > > When I complained all I got in response was a cut > and paste standard reply saying we are trying to > reduce the use of cars and people need to walk or > use public transport. > > I also mentioned that not all people have a modern > phone with apps if they needed to pay. Their > answer walk to the shop in lordship lane and buy a > ticket.

I'm not saying the closures should not be reversed ? we are among those currently getting stuck in terrible jams in every direction, but as i understand it the government funded the closures. If they are reversed who pays for that?

Went past last night and it looked open. (edited to add i see it's already been confirmed! Xanadustar Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A real shame, it was one of the best restaurants > on the Lane. The food was excellent and the staff > just lovely. > > Anyone know if Maria?s Tapas is re-opening? I fear > for its tiny space.

i don't have (too much of) a problem with these closures but they do need to be signposted more clearly. I was almost all the way down Calton Ave before there was a T junction sign - and by then I was so close I could see that the road was blocked off anyway. This was last night, hopefully more signs will go up or there will be lots of people trying to do three point turns outside the bookshop. tiddles Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I suspect It is the new road closures - Carlton > avenue and court land are now dead ends so massive > rerouting of cars away from the normal direct > routes. Have a look at the ?our healthy streets? > thread

i could see the main info required was in the confirmation email but maybe i was being too much of a stickler for the rules so I clicked on where it said "print permit PDF" and the screenshot of the page that came up is attached. i thought i could probably show them the email on phone and it would be fine, but didn't want to load up the car and arrive and encounter someone who wouldn't let me drop of rubbish without proper printout - the confirmation emails don't actually have names on it. KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > not sure what this means sandyman. > After applying for permit, you get an email > confirming the details of the permit (address, car > reg no, list of item types you're dumping, allot > time slot) - there is an option to print the > permit, but you can just show the phone to people > at the dump. > I wasn't even asked for mine, the chaps at > roundabout before dump saw my car reg and knew who > I was - likewise inside the dump, they knew from > my car reg what I was dumping and advised me what > to dump in which bin.

I had a slot booked today at 1pm but when i went to print out the permit this morning it said "page not known". Was going to try my luck without permit but decided that all things considered not worth the risks. Kid Kruger's post suggests I'd have been ok as i had the other proof of id/address.

We went to pick up something ordered online at argos and they let us jump the queue - but they are very strict you are escorted straight out and not allowed to bunk into sainsburys - very frustrating as there were lots of discounted post-Easter eggs on display!

Ah that's good - I'd seen a few kids in there and assumed they'd bunked over the railings. Far too high and pointy for me! alfie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Alleyns have tweeted to say that their top field > is open for responsible use for daily fresh air

I just saw two parked outside Franklins! rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone know whether the Lime bikes are going to be > extended to ED? The parking zone currently stops > at Camberwell.

Same problem here. And where are we supposed to put rotting food at the moment when we don't have a brown bin (or brown caddy) Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I paid. Not received a label yet. This morning > they took my bin away! No contact details on > southwark website. WTF am I supposed to do now!! > > Contact your local councillor. This is clearly > just an administrative error, but no the less > irksome for that.