Bipolar affective disorder (Manic Depression) is not a subject to be laughed at Zeban I agree with that. I will readily admit with absolutely no shame or care for any others opinion that I was diagnosed with this particular disorder over several years ago, it is not something anyone can readily relate to or understand, unless they have knowledge of the disorder, whether being diagnosed themselves or being in a situation of trying to understand a loved one, and being supplied with the relevant information to help assist, or being a health professional. Absolutely under no circumstances do I feel anyone has the right to attach any stigma to any disorders that anyone has, whether that is physical or to do with mental health issues. I have the pleasure of having a very wide circle of friends, yet unfortunately amongst them I have had acquaintances in the past commit suicide, or do themselves serious harm due to people not being understanding enough that they had around them whether that be in the cyber world or the friends they had around them at the time in real life. What I find incredibly offensive looking at your post, was your direct insult to Tarot "I mean you seemed pretty strange to me when you first appeared on this forum but I'd never suggest something like that" That sort of insulting behaviour is exactly what can cause someone great emotional distress, and since what the op is being accused of is not apparent, it just comes across as plain simple bullying. You raised a valid point by mentioning that a diagnosis of a disorder should be left to the doctors, which is very true because many symptoms can overlap most of the time and give someone the wrong impression if they are not better informed by a practitioner and I respected you for saying so and pointing that out. But your degradation is downright nasty.