EDOldie

Went there the day after their good review in Time Out, it was a weekday lunchtime and there were seven of us. The service was polite and friendly and the place was heaving which I don't think they were expecting. The starters were good although, if I was being picky, my oysters not top notch. Beer was lovely. The mains took a little time to come but with the number of people there it was not surprising. Agree cold plates are not nice and that was a bit of a let down, but everyone enjoyed the food and liked the atmosphere. Back there tomorrow night so hopefully they'll read this and I'll have a real treat!!

Perhaps East Dulwich is a victim of it's own success. Clapham property prices remain high and the high streets quite a violent place, is there worse to come on LL?

It always was a bit rough in LL, there were a few very nasty 'firms' that used to drink in the pubs. You kept yourself to yourself in those days. Big biker mob at the Mag in the late 60's early 70's if I remember rightly. But there weren't the middle classes in ED then that there are now and the aggression tended to be between people who knew of or knew each other. It all seems more random these days. Actually Sunday morning ED was a bit like a war zone. Nasty car crash into the bus stop opposite The Green and a bloke lying down in the road in Lordship Lane in front of a bus.

I thought it was a great discussion and absolutely no offence intended.

Trees, I thought we were talking about trees and I still say the Victorians and more likely Edwardians with some of these trees did not give a fig about what they might look like or what size they might have grown to in 2007. The infrastructure argument is for another thread surely? But I still think you see this issue with rose tinted optical ware. Although I do accept many of your point on this. Nice of me huh? Finally, if the (Victorian or any other period) structure of one's house is threatened by a tree and one is unable to sell it either because one's buyer cannot get insurance cover, or a claim would take forever to sort out and you might want to move, and the buyer might think they are stuck with one insurance company and an uncompetitive premium which they cant change one might think the tree is inappropriate to it's surrounding? Or does the tree come first no matter what?

Try the Dulwich Sports Club in Burbage Road by railway bridge. V low key and child friendly, good bar with real ale in the clubhouse. Don't know the date this year but keep an eye out for posters. Just walkable from ED or get the 37 and walk up Burbage.

It is called spiking but please don?t take any such action in Dulwich or East Dulwich. I believe it can be extremely dangerous for both the tree and for anyone who is legitimately undertaking work to trees.

Good points but I think you have a higher opinion of Victorian Dulwich than me. The reason we are still using all those things is because it's too expensive to replace them. A tree only genuinely needs to be cut down if diseased or dangerous, or, and this is my point, if it is in a place that is genuinely inappropriate to its surroundings.

Frisco, I may not be your mate, but I'm not T*ssa either. I think it's one of her staff who lives in East Dulwich, surely with all that Olympic stuff she hasn't got time for this nonsense.

Sorry generic term, won't happen again I assure you. Eh?, it was you that was alluding to the 250 years ago "What rubbish, there were equally aged trees in existence 130 years ago." I fully accept your point about tree planting in Victorian/Edwardin times, you won't seem to accept my point that the Victorians/Edwardians would not have given a toss what happened later they might have taken a 15-20 year view but not a 130 year one. Educated people such as yourself however, can take a longer term view and think about what might b good for East Dulwich and how we can plant and improve for the future without despoiling the streetscape by thoughtless planting and, dare I say it, thoughtless retention of inappropriate, to their surroundings, trees. Sorry to go on about the 'pain' thing but trees do live and I think we should respect them and give them proper space. I'm not a hippy but the trees in Dulwich (and London) are one of the very real pleasures of this town. I could go on but even I think I'm getting boring.

Sounds rubbish to me, I used to go to Dr Thom in Court Lane who smoked and drank whisky when he saw you. His main advice being to abstain from both. You didn't go back. Er, you don't have anything to do with the running of the place? Shag carpeting sounds good, can you get that on the NHS?

Reggie, thanks. Christ, I've really wound the posh bloke up! Sorry mate, but just think 250-260 years ago it was all fields around here. There may have been some planned planting by farmers or landowners but they would have had no idea that Melbourne Grove would have been where it is (for instance)although Lordship Lane existed at that time. The big trees are very good in the right place as are the small trees, again, in the right place. The trees feeling pain is you completely missing the point, as you do when it suits you. Plants should be able to grow, I bet you eat that white asparagus you sadist.

Frisco Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "When trees were planted 130 years ago in roads, > the planters cannot for one minute, have thought > they would still be there all this time later." > > What rubbish, there were equally aged trees in > existence 130 years ago. There needs to be an > effective plan of management and replacement, > which doesn't involve the destruction of healthy > trees without very good reason, and certainly not > just at the instigation of insurance companies. Do you really think our dear East Dulwich forefathers, as they planted trees, worried about what size they would be in 2007? The equally aged trees were probably self sown. I think you are living in a complete fantasy world. Anyway, years ago the late, and much lamented, Camberwell Council, had a team of what you posh people would call tree surgeons. They were superceded by a team employed by Southwark Council (it's all 'outsourced' these days) who used to drink in the east dulwich pub I worked in for a bit of extra cash. We called them the Tree Fellas (funny eh?, well it was the 1970's). Their job was to travel the borough lopping and removing dangerous and inappropriate trees, or generally tidying up the mess inappropriately planted in the past. So, it's not a new problem, the trouble is the local badly sited trees have become our sacred cow. The copper nails, they poison the trees and the poor old tree suffers a prolonged, agonising death. Ring barking is almost equally barbaric. The chain saw is quicker but it's a bit like trying to justify the death penalty.

nancysmum Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > EDOldie - you talk of the blue plague... is this > linked to blue tongue? are cows being exploited? > EDOldie Wrote: > Just where the blue > > plague for Enid Blighton is (bizzarely enough). > > Anyway, the story goes that one evening a chap > > popped in for a bit of 'how's your father' and > > tied his dog up outside. The dog got a bit > > distressed and the police were called, started > > knocking on doors and discovered said brothel! > > Needless to say, I had to get rid of the dog. Sorry Nancysmum I can't smell very well. I'm dislexic, er, dyslexic, er, lazy um yes thats it

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > EDOldie.. how can pollarding be 'cruel'?! Bob it seems cruel to me to pollard a tree when they should have space to grow to their full size, as they do in many parks and gardens. I don't want the chainsaw solution to everything which is the inevitable outcome of poor planting and planning. The Victorians would have just chopped away anything that didn't agree with them. Hopefully we are abit more thoughtful today. I would like to see more trees planted in Dulwich just ones that are the right size and in scale to their surroundings.

Ah, leafy Dulwich. If any of you tree lovers, and I count myself as one, can be bothered to go to Goose Green, for instance. You will see beautiful, large trees growing in an enviroment which is right for the tree. When trees were planted 130 years ago in roads, the planters cannot for one minute, have thought they would still be there all this time later. I say plant the right tree in the right location. It's not just foundations that are affected what about natural light at first floor level? pollarding is unattractive and, I think cruel. Lets see some active tree management from Southwark and in some parts of E Dulwich the Dulwich Estate

We wouldn't have all these lovely bars and places to eat in East Dulwich if they weren't child friendly. Mind you I've not seen any kids in 'Inside 72' (or whatever it's called). Me and Mrs Oldie had to leave last time we went in it was too loud for us. Actually, I have seen kids in there.

Perhaps we should start a campaign to allow smoking again, as the only place in England, in East Dulwich pubs and see a return to our proper working class roots, a bit like that Museum of Wales. We could send the children up the chimneys, that'll keep'em quiet

I blame the parents myself, but lunchtime in Green & Blue on Wednesday!! Quel 'orror. I think everyone in there was thinking of recipes involving the use of small children

There was a rumour that there was a brothel at Dulwich Plough years ago. Just where the blue plague for Enid Blighton is (bizzarely enough). Anyway, the story goes that one evening a chap popped in for a bit of 'how's your father' and tied his dog up outside. The dog got a bit distressed and the police were called, started knocking on doors and discovered said brothel! Needless to say, I had to get rid of the dog.

Thay are hypocrites, I used to play in a rock band and we hired a church hall to practice in, and they threw us out for being too loud. Brendan, they do have achohol in Churches you know. Especially on a Sunday.

The Herne in Forest Hill Road/Peckham Rye, I think owned by the same people who own the Palmeston in LL. V. popular with the local yummy mummys. Etc etc. It was, once, a dark south london boozer. Club like almost. Perfect setting for the Sweeny

Years ago there was a photo of John Thaw and Dennis Waterman in the Herne and I was told they filmed part of an episode in the pub. This was confirmed by one of the new owners who told me that a director or producer of the programme owned the Herne once. Don't know if this was the same episode.

Sorry wrong thread, all very confusing this new technology

Years ago there was a photo of John Thaw and Dennis Waterman in the Herne and I was told they filmed part of an episode in the pub. This was confirmed by one of the new owners who told me that a director or producer of the programme owned the Herne once.