EDOldie

Gan Amhras, better value I think

bigbadwolf Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I don't mean to be rude but I didn't really > understand the last two sentences of your first > paragraph EDOldie. No offence taken, and I think I've put what I meant very badly. I suppose what I was trying to say was that as a society we need more than punishment to deal with crime or we are not a society at all.

No one seems to have talked about what caused these horrific crimes. Why did it happen? According to the accounts I have read the murderers came from a background of violence and were high on drugs and drink when they killed these boys. If there is not a society we have succeeded in acceptance of the fact. But if you believe there is a society it is a continuation of our failure to address violent crime not with punishment or retribution but with understanding. We can't return to the barbarism of the death penalty we either need to take control or accept that we have none.

Careful, we'll be in the Lounge bar of the Palmeston soon.

They'll be selling some onions. Mark my words. Electric onions

I think restaurant critic is the most difficult job in the world. I'm sticking with the amateur brain surgery. Any volunteers?

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > EDOldie Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I remember buying the Beatles Double White > Album > > in there when it came out (much to my Dad's > > disgust). > > He was probably paying for it. Jah, you're not suggesting my parents spoilt me as a child?

I remember buying the Beatles Double White Album in there when it came out (much to my Dad's disgust).

God, if Barry Jones has managed to get Boris down here he's more amazing than we all think.

Hmmm, Loz, mouthwatering!! Trouble is after a few bottles of the Beaujolais I'd probably not remember what they tasted like. Anyway, don't you get all lofty with me.

Sorry Brendan, all a distant memory. Pop up there and ask them, they're bound to remember as I doubt anyone's asked since. HB, if only those in the house of commons had the intricate workings of your mind the world would be a much happier place. Getting back to the subject when I saw the crab I too thought it looked smothered with the dressing, there was plenty there and until I tasted it I thought you were right. One other thing I noticed, and I've not read the whole thread, is that there are now two chef's mentioned on the menu where there used to be only one. Which might mean the original chef (Jamie?) is not as active in the kitchen as he once was. I did enjoy the meal FoodStories but enjoyed the wine rather more than the steak, which is why I'm struggling to remember what I had for pud. Suffice to say it involved a peach but was very enjoyable.

Went there the other night and, FoodStories, you are simply wrong about the crab. It is divine. The strength of the chilli is a bit overpowering to start with, but once the flavours start to merge it is exceptional. The portion size was fine I don't think I needed any more. Didn't try the Monkfish, which is one of my favs, but went for the fillet steak (not a cut I often go for as I prefer sirloin). Asked for Med-rare and got med-well done. Still a nice piece of meat, but I did complain and they knocked the desserts off the bill. One complaint, none of the staff seemed to know anything about the finer wine and certainly had not tasted it. Most restaurants have a staff tasting session and I'm sure in the past I've had good advice about the wine in there. While the Harvester has been mentioned I'll just recount my one and only experience there. When it first opened Mrs O & I tried it out. Had a very nasty meal, but the guy at the next table asked the waitress for some Dijon mustard. To which she replied, 'Certainly sir, French or English?'

I'll have to go again, if it is rubbish I shall moan loudly and refuse to pay.

Hmmm, louisiana, thats an interesting site. Not quite sure what to make of it. You young people, eh?

They can charge what they like. We don't have to go there but it never seems that empty when I go past. I've not eaten there for a while but can we blame a business for building up a reputation and profiting from it?

Hi FoodStories and welcome to the forum, already had a taste of the sharp end of the tongue?, so to speak. I love The Palmeston and it's not beyond reproach but, along with Franklin's, it has helped put east dulwich on the map. The Village is still a gastronomic desert but the Lane leads the way. I don't think the butchers or the great bakers we now have, would exist without these restaurants. The crab and all of it may be expensive but it sets a standard that others need to follow to compete. To critise one meal does not look at the whole picture.

I don't think that at the moment anyone will confuse a low turnout with apathy or laziness. I also think that an abnormally low turnout will devalue the vote that the minority parties might/probably will attract. Wouldn't it be great if it were accepted that the vote was effectively null and void because the electorate doesn't want to pay for Mr Darlings accountant and all the other nonsense that has come up. Mind you if he got some good financial advice we might not be in this mess. In a way it's all very sad because the vote ought to be about Europe and local councils and our representation in both. But we, the public, could hijack it and we have a chance to show how dissatisfied we are with govt. and this antiquated voting system and all that entails in terms of representation. Fuming EDOldie

How do we protest by voting? For the first time ever in my voting life I will not cast a vote as I feel doing so endorses and supports this corrupt govt. and opposition. If virtually nobody votes it will send the strongest possible signal to the politicians.

Wil they be selling garlic bulbs I wonder?

Well, I actually think, had we been more successful, it might have led to a more open and better learning environment. The view (ours) was that schools had become too authoritarian and simply institutions to condition children rather than teach them. For instance caning, the practice of beating small children with a large stick usually by some sadistic adult although I think prefects could for a time at my school, was not actually banned until 1987. And then only by a majority of one vote in Parliament. Sadly there are many who think hurting children is a good way to teach. Usually not teachers though. ED (six of the best) Oldie

I was a member of the Schools Action Union in the early 70?s, which organised a (fairly) famous school strike by pupils, although some teachers came out too. It's aims were to resist the oppression of young people in schools, caning school uniforms, bullying, and democratise the running of education in the UK with pupils having an equal say to teachers, governors etc. The state felt very threatened believe it or not and a great deal of pressure was brought to bear, kids were expelled for taking part in the actual strike. It was a bit of a shadowy Marxist Leninist organisation and I left as I decided I was not a communist and not even particularly left wing. But it helped cause a stir and I'm still quite proud of it and agree with a lot of it aims. What an anarchist eh?

Townleygreen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe Court farm was where Eastlands Crescent is > now? That was the last part of CL to be built on I > believe - 20s or 30s? I thought that Court Farm was effectively what became Dulwich Park and the building was roughly between the three Victorian houses and Court Lane Gardens. The other houses were all built from about 1922 onwards. I was told that Eastlands was the Victorian residence of the Turkish ambassador, hence the name Eastlands Crescent, and the road layout, when the houses were built, again in the 20's, possibly early thirties. So seperate from the farm. Court Lane was also a toll road. I always wondered where the name 'Court' came from. Any suggestions?

Er, it's not the Optician. It was a clothes shop, Gill Holland. I saw the optician yesterday.

Don't forget any capital gain on your main home remains tax free. Unless you are an MP in which case it's tax free on both first and second homes! No tax advantage to renting , not only that but the tenant often is paying for the landlords mortgage (i'm sure someones made that point already but I've not bothered reading the whole thread). You end up with nothing when you move out unless you are a very astute saver and no chance of any growth in a tax free asset. You might have kept your ISA's up to date but, good luck. Anyway what with all this renting going on, cheap mortgages for Landlords, is supply drying up and is there another boom around the corner? Just in time to save those with snouts in troughs. BitterOldie

We ought to start an EDF golf society. Make a change from the curry club and the monthly drinks.