EDOldie

Four sausages!!!

Well the figures I saw show the estimated population of the world increase between 800 and 1300 by 140 million not decreasing by 33%. Between 1300 and 1800 it increased by 512 million. Again this is an estimate but I would have thought the upward trend is logical. MP do I have the wrong end of the stick?

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Aah i see that what I was referring to is called > the little > ice age apparetly and does > coincide with the black death inthe 24th century > apparently ending the warmer period that preceded > it. That does seem to tie both in to anthropogenic > influences though. > It's probably me but I don't quite understand what you mean. My understanding of Medieval warming is that the world unexpectedly heated up over a five hundred year period followed by an equally unexpected mini ice age. I know this is cynically manipulated by sceptics and deniers but it is an interesting subject and does suggest that there may be more to this than we currently understand. The estimated world population was rising through both periods so I'm not sure how relatively minor fluctuations due to disease could effect this.

Er, MP it was medieval warming, not cooling, and a Victorian mini ice age. These things are not easily explained but are often trotted out by the deniers as total proof that man made global warming is a myth. I don't agree with that either but I do think we should be grown up enough to debate these things.

Ok Ok I'll come quietly, it's a fair cop but society is to blame. Tthis is the problem once you start to put forward another point of view you are denounced as a heretic. A denier. Someone whose greed is above their concern for their fellow human beings. In fact I think I?ll change my name from EDOldie to pariah. You cannot have a sensible debate about this without being shouted down or ridiculed as a flat earther. I?ve just been looking at the website, it is fascinating (nurse, the screens) What if the planet does change on its own, would this explain Medieval warming or the Victorian Ice Age? As I understand it accurate weather records only go back 170 years or so. Is this long enough to make decisions that will impact on our children and children?s children? This planet, unless you are a creationalist, is a lot lot older and has gone through a great many changes. Anyway, I don?t entirely disbelieve that we are the cause and I do try to take some responsibility and practical steps so I hope I?m not quite the villian, but I don?t like being told what to do by any slimey politician. This, and particularly the Drawing Room, is a forum for debate.

Possibly near Grove Vale?

V amusing. No airports sre ver bad things. The ver seroius point I m making is that this is not about the environment at all it's about politics. The don't give a flying about us the will use anthing the can to control us. PS thanks about the y's made it much easier.

The point of the third runway as proposed by (the Y on my keyboard is not working properly so these posts are taking forever) govt is to centralise flights in order to avoid more airports and airport expansion in other areas to save the environment (yess, I know). I just hate seeing people being taken advantage of by cynical politicians and their hidden agendas

To Sean: 1984

It's not a moot point. There is still a great deal of debate about the causes. Some of the scientists do have a vested interest for instance, Do I have to spell out the third runway argument? We are talking of destroying a community http://www.notrag.org/ in the name of the climate. It is complete hypocricy. Hello?

No choice, Mrs O and young Ms O addicted. I'm just sitting here being cynical. (Much to their annoyance, tee hee)

Oh Sean, not by you. It just seems to me that the whole subject is so taboo that no one can put forward an alternative view that quetions the perceived view. Bullied by the state? but that sounds paranoid. There is no question that the climate is changing but if you dare to say that it might not just be man that is changing it you are treated as a denier and we all know what the tone of that accusation is

Oh, right.

Then cook it?

This is the whole point. If you dare to challenge the accepted wisdom then you risk being ridiculed and bullied. There seems no room for an questioning of the climate issue.

Its not anymore

AhgggggggggHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you think? Or are you not allowed to anymore?

DM did you vote?

Its a fatty old bird but very tasty.

Third runway.

Sean you are still missing the point. This is more than about the environment.

Sean, you're missing the point. To deny is one thing, questioning is another.

This makes me feel even more uncomfortable. Is this attention seeking behaviour?

Washing line indeed. If you look closely, on the left, you can see the pair of abandoned shoes covered in snow. Spooky or what?

The washing basket of life is full of soiled clothes