I've only dipped into this every so often because the thread goes round in circles. It seems to be polarised between two groups who just aren't going to agree. 1. those who want a return to pre-closure state, who can't see anything wrong with the traffic as it was before, including when it involves passing and queueing at many many primary and secondary schools 2. those for whom the current changes are only the start of a new paradigm whereby pretty much no-one ever drives Does anyone have any real ideas how to reconcile these two groups, both of which seem to me to be unrealistic?