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No there is lots of support for buses. I use them regularly. We have one of the most extensive bus networks in the world and one of the most modern and cleanest. You are just using this as a stick to beat cyclists and the mayor with.

He mainly adopts the primary position. He cycles a good door widths away from parked car doors. You argued long and hard that primary position is not the norm in inner London. Make your mind up.

Cycling is a great way of getting around, it is good for your physical and mental wellbeing, the environment and will be a lot cheaper than driving, often quicker. I've posted on another thread a cycle instructor's video about sharing space with other road users and managing risk. Cycling, in it's own right, is not a dangerous pastime/means of transport. In the same way that walking is not dangerous. The video shows how we can reduce the likelihood of harm to either the cyclist or others they may come across, and animals. You can argue the fine detail until the cows come home about the trends, but it is brilliant that so many more people cycle than when I moved to London and it is now seen, certainly in the inner boroughs, as a 'normal' way of getting round rather than a few cranks and tree huggers.

Depends how you define bright. It's hardly a fluorescent yellow/hi vis. But everyday wear. As per the picture here. One is even wearing all black, Well I am pleased you looked at the video @Moovart Looking at the comments on YouTube perhaps one of them ranting about cyclists is a member of this forum. This cycling team have a different way of attracting attention, sorry for any offence.!

Read the article. I have already said that you should use lights at night. Rather than tell me why you are right, have a look at the study. Millions of cyclists don't know about road position, don't always look behind or to the side before turning, it doesn't make them right. Here's a useful video to improve your cycling and reduce the likelihood of a motorist not 'seeing' you. It does not feature bright clothing. It is from someone who is a professional cycling instructor and will provide you with a lesson or two. From about 3 and a half minutes lots on position.

Nope I don't believe bright clothes make a big difference, the article I posted earlier reviewed the evidence and considered that things that were moving such as reflectors on pedals caught the attention better. It may be that we remember someone in bright clothing whilst clocking everyone else, as giving space to cyclists is an automatic/subconscious thing (as is much of driving) that we learn. A big difference between a £40 fixed penalty notice and being done for dangerous driving, careless driving etc.

You have ignored mine, and many other posts. If you get hit by a car, when you are riding in the correct position, with lights on at nigh,t then it is the driver's fault. They will be prosecuted if the police get involved. It is not the cyclists fault. Even without lights on you may well be prosecuted. Whether I have a fluorescent bikini on, lasers coming out of my helmet, and a sound system, that is irrelevant.

I've cycled 100.000 miles or more, a fair amount of this at night. I really don't know what you are talking about.

In deed, I understand that in the 1950s rock and roll was considered to be just a fad by many. And in the 1860s the same thing was said about the new fangled bicycle

Yes it is good that cyclists numbers are increasing and it is a good investment. All government investment has to go through an assessment on the return. That will be measured in terms of reduced motorised traffic, benefits to the environment, health and wellbeing. Here's government policy under Johnson to promote walking and cycling under 'social prescribing' https://www.gov.uk/government/news/walking-wheeling-and-cycling-to-be-offered-on-prescription-in-nationwide-trial

@4l3x5pr1n63r (do explain why you chose that!) There are standards for the level of friction on road surfaces, I came a cropper two times in quick succession on a brand new surface near the Heygate estate twenty years ago in the rain. First time I was just enjoying the new surface and next thing sliding down the street. I hadn't realised why, but going the other way turned right in the rain and front wheel went. Ironically it was the cycle lane markings. In those days you could meet with the highway engineer, which I duly did, and demonstrated with a plant spray - road dry, wheel stays upright as I lean (static) 25 degrees, road wet and bang goes the bike. It was easier to engage in those days as local authorities has more staff. Otherwise the main issue has been black ice, only five times since I have lived in London spread across five boroughs and only twice a cropper, one as I crossed from Lewisham into Bromley as the latter hadn't gritted and once by Burgess Park as by the entrance it was a few degrees colder. Bikes going down every where. I've stupidly fallen off on very smooth surfaces such as station concourses but that was when I was much younger and even more foolish and shouldn't have been cycling.

Fair point. Most people can't pronounce Farage (as in rhymes with garage). Perhaps that explains his behaviour as a child as he was upset that people pronounced it in the continental way. Maybe that is the reason we had Brexit. Shame schools didn't take a more pastoral approach in those days. Maybe he just needs a hug.

But surely it is good news if more people are cycling. Yes or no?

The points that at least three of you continue to miss, I really don't know why is, in London is far more important than lights and clothing that.: (a) the cyclist being in an appropriate position and being aware of what is going on (b) drivers both see cyclists and giving them enough space Our streets are lit. The local boroughs are all 20 mph, there is virtually no excuse for not seeing a cyclist. If you disagree you should not be driving and please make an urgent visit to your optician. Or surrender your license. Obviously having lights is right, and wearing all black, on a black bike, with no reflectors, is a bit daft. I think we surely all agree on the above, And as such this thread has served its time. The title of the thread is cyclists visibility. There are other threads for you to moan about poor cycling. If you feel so inclined.

There is a good discussion about how cyclists can make themselves more visible to other road users and also how they can improve their awareness and understanding of other road users. The article by the RAF chap is useful but not the be all or end all. I will decide whether to wear high vis and a helmet, and I will make my own informed decision. It is much better than I use the correct position, in effect as well as making myself more obvious telling the person behind not to overtake me until there is enough space (in urban roads I am usually as fast as the traffic around here). Government guidance: The primary road position is that of the general flow of traffic (ie in the centre of the lane). Contrary to what inexperienced [and most experienced] cyclists may think, this is where they are often safer, as it is where they can most easily see and be seen. Telling other road users what I am doing is also essential through signaling, body language, occasionally speaking, is important, and do not underestimate the importance of a 360 degree awareness ie looking, and getting eye contact with other road users. It those road users who are in the wrong position and not aware, that I know that they will do something suddenly. You can often tell someone is on a mobile when following them, no signaling, wrong road position, sudden movements and cutting corners. The article above seems to be from the starting point of "don't trust anyone" and blames some of this on relying on peripheral vision. Peripheral vision is valuable, walk down the road with a hood up and you will understand tunnel vision. Most drivers subconsciously are capable of passing 30 cm from a parked car, using a fair amount of peripheral vision. It's the ones that drive like that when passing a cyclist, whether I am lit up like Trafalger Square or not, that worry me. As Ex and others have said this is much more about all drivers improving their awareness around vulnerable road users.