Earl Aelfheah

Have they?

A 5 year old road filter on calton avenue is not forcing traffic onto Ryedale over the other side of Dulwich. Neither has it led as you've claimed, to increases in crime, increases in pollution, or more road accidents (all have reduced). Just because you say things over and over, it doesn't make them true.

It's a difficult site to make work - being located quite far from the other pubs and eateries of Lordship Lane. I really hope they will be successful. Will be a welcome addition.

Agreed! Although they're spelt 'beigels' in Brick Lane 😉

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This is great news!

Hope no one was seriously hurt.

What if - its' constant innuendo with you. You say that people aren't getting out of their cars, but then quote the fact that the number of people driving has decreased. At the same time there have been steady increases in cycling over more than a decade now, driven in no small part by the type of cycle infrastructure improvements that you oppose. The constant claims of widespread 'displacement' and increased pollution aren't backed up by the research evidence, or by local data, which shows that traffic overall fell after the introduction of the Calton road filter. Air monitoring data shows year on year declines in local No2 levels. You ignore the obvious fact that Waze directs people down Ryedale constantly, in order to avoid the lights and save maybe 30 seconds - and instead blame it on a 5 year old road filter on the other side of Dulwich - it's a classic example of confirmation bias. You're obsession with that filter is unhealthy - you've blamed it for imagined increases in crime and pollution, and now for the impact of a dynamic routing app in a completely different area. It's just nonsense.

I'm aware Rocks. Just not sure how that tallies with your claim that "despite all of the interventions to date, people are not getting out of their cars are they?"

EDG is an A road because it's a major route. Without getting too much into the history of the zonal system, the fact is that it always has been (and always will be) an important East West corridor (unlike Calton Avenue). There is also no evidence of displacement from Court Lane to EDG. There is some evidence that the East section of EDG has seen an increase in traffic as a result of traffic being diverted away from turning left onto Melbourne Grove north. Hmm...

So if they are why is congestion getting worse....you know the answer...;-) So are you agreeing that your claim that people aren't getting out of their cars is untrue? Would be good to establish that first. Then if we're agreed on the premise, I am happy to answer your question.

Also, it's not true that people aren't getting out of their cars. There is plenty of evidence that they are. And there are a lot more people cycling.

They're both B roads. Ryedale is the smaller, narrower street, and that's why there is a proposal to keep drivers on Underhill and discourage people from using Ryedale to bypass the lights - which impacts traffic flow on Forest Hill Road. I agree that there should be some action to reduce traffic on Underhill generally. East Dulwich Grove is an A road.

I was responding to Ladharrbeinn who was commenting on East Dulwich Grove (the A2214).

I don't entirely disagree with this. Certainly we need strategies to reduce traffic across the entire network. It is true however that there are A roads and B roads; with A-roads generally designed and equipped to handle higher traffic volumes and faster speeds compared to B-roads. What we've seen in recent years is there has been a big shift in traffic from A roads to B roads as a result of dynamic routing apps.