WFD I'm personally too long in the tooth to sit down and eat a meal surounded by noise and running ankel biter's but this is my personal veiw if every body was the same as me it would be a boring world, so rather than post after post complaining about differant eating establishment's that don't meet my needs and should change immediately to to my panderings, I prefer to find a restarant/pub/cafe that do meet my likes and patronise these venue. I'm glad to say in and around LL I can find these with out asking for any others to change. I can't see the point of some people that keep going to the same place to post that it is not what they like and it should be changed. Get's big shovel dig's the deepest hole I can, dive in and wait for incoming. Bob S