Sorry to resurrect all of this, but thought it was interesting to see in this article, http://londonist.com/2013/10/busovercrowding.php, that the 185 and 176 bus routes are cited as among the most crowded in London... Surely more ammunition to get further transport infrastructure in the surrounding area, such as a tube extension to Camberwell? I've also noticed over the last couple of years that I've lived here that the First Capital Connect services from Denmark Hill in the mornings are getting ever more crowded...