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Snakefilth, there are far too many independent posts here and across other channels to believe that the mess up there is a figment of Mary123's imagination. I also think that it's ridiculous to suggest that just because you live in London, you have the right to be anti-social and inconsiderate to others. May be these are the people who should move to the middle of the countryside so that the rest of us don't need to put up with them....

MrWB, there is already a thread on this on the gossip section.... I and Nigello have already contacted our councillors so you could do the same. The more people who voice it, the more likely they are to see it as a problem that needs addressing... I have also contacted Plastic Free East Dulwich to see if there is merit in reviving a more virtual or socially distanced version of their litter collection events, although you'd need an army to touch the sides if they don't sort out the lack of bin capacity...

Yes, I won't put my thoughts down on what I'd like to happen to those people, all my liberal values go out of the window! I'd like to think they are the very small minority but once alcohol and other substances are involved, this probably is not the case... good reminder of one of the reasons why this matters here (apols if not on Facebook) https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2513791818721638&id=100002725321140 This picture next to all the bins might prod some people in the right direction

Totally agree Mary123, the behaviour does need to be tackled. I really feel for you if this is happening on your doorstep.

The problem is that if it's left like that, it does end up blowing around everywhere. It was already happening by 8pm so I dread to think what state the place is in this morning. Let's hope the pleas to the council for the bigger bins works as this will certainly help- most people will do the right thing if you make it easy for them.

I went to Peckham Rye this evening for a atroll and was shocked by the amount of large groups and rubbish, it was like a festival. How that can be allowed to continue is beyond me. Every bin I saw looked something like the one in the attached picture- and the rubbish was blowing everywhere. I cannot imagine what is like for the poor people clearing it up, they must have their work cut out..

That's ridiculous to boil the need for economic activity down to shareholder profits- people need to work and save their businesses, we can't live on thin air. Overly simplistic arguments like this don't help anyone.

Agree Nigello... I heard back from James yesterday who thanked me for bringing it to his attention and said he would share with the relevant councillors.

Sent to James McAsh et al as they are my councillors. They can pass on if it needs to be redirected...

More practical than bigger bins? What are you suggesting? Or were you just referencing my comments re. signage? I agree bigger bins are the best option but there is some evidence that people will check their own behaviour if they are reminded how it negatively impacts others- I don't think it hurts to try as an additional measure. I have drafted a note so I will send it on and reference this thread. I would love to see the sarcastic response you received....

You might be right... I'm no expert!!

Yes, the pragmatist in me agrees. It is not just unsightly to have rubbish everywhere (and surely more unsightly than a bin, however ugly?)but if bags do get torn open, the rubbish escapes and presents a threat to wildlife. I think some reminders next to the bins that it's not ok to leave rubbish when full might nudge some people into doing the right thing but many would still disregard. I think some large bins of the type used by Lambeth, near main exits, would go a long way to solving the problem and wouldn't intrude too much on the main body of the park...

Hi Sue K, do you have any specifics about the location you want to share, I can highlight them in the note I'm sending to James McAsh?

There are actually several threads on this topic so clearly a lot of us are fed up about it. I think there is more the council could do, including something as simple as more/bigger bins. Brockwell Park has huge dumpster bins and that seemed to be working very well when I was there on Saturday morning. I am going to contact James McAsh (councillor) directly. He was very helpful when I raised issues with him last year about the dumping of domestic rubbish next to the recycling bins on Lordship Lane. I regularly do a litter pick on my daily walk but I'm not up for dealing with piles of discarded rubbish bags without proper equipment and support...

I totally agree, the lack of personal responsibility here is shocking. However, it does seem to be a reality around here. You can say something if you see it happening in person but these opportunities are rare. I do think the council could do more, whether that's more bin facilities or some kind of campaign. If you had signs by the bin saying please don't leave your rubbish next to the bin as it will blow away and presents a threat to wildlife etc, at least some people would be nudged to think about their actions.And others might be more emboldened to say something when they don't. Where local councils do undertake these kind of pro-active campaigns, I understand they have good results.

I would agree that improving the bin situation in the area generally- the bins next to Pecjham Rye have also had rubbish piled up all around them due to them being full. When I went to Brockwell park yesterday, all the bins were empty and there were huge mobile bins all iver the place (big trunk shaped things). As a result, there was no rubbish in sight, thanks!!!

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Have you tried Southwark noise team? Not sure if they will do anything under social distancing conditions? There are some people in the flats above Superdrug who also feel entitled to blast out their awful music as loudly as they like...

Surely those bricks aren't in their intended end state, I just assumed there is some kind of treatment on them that will be removed??? Agree, they currently look awful. Who knows???

Hope you get this sorted, people are so inconsiderate. Why would anyone think it's ok to inflict their choice of music on the entire surrounding area on a regular basis?

Oh don't, so dusgusting. On a more positive the note,the craze of plogging (picking up litter as you jog) is set to hit our shores. I don't do much jogging as I generally have a baby sling in tow so may be I will try plinging!!https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/237c63d4-0a54-406a-ae51-ad677a872456

That explains this morning then.... never seen it that bad before. Still think there is room for improvement more generally though.

I am becoming increasingly fed up of the amount of rubbish along LL. This morning was particularly bad with 5 piles of rubbish that had been created from bags left out for collection, which does seem to be the main cause. I dont think most people drop litter and the commercial businesses seem to dispose responsibly (well secured bags provided by tge council). So mostly badly secured domestic rubbish from along the lane seem to be at fault. Also a lack of regular emptying of recycling bins which results in over flow onto pavement. I have tried a number of tactics: regular pick up of rubbish aling my own street, reporting fly tipping and overflowing bins and lobbying coop to kerp their patch clean (often one of dirtiest areas on the street). May be a community of clean street champions (residential and commercial) could make a difference but a muti-layered response from council and residents would be needed. A clear position on how residents should dispose of rubbish when they live above shops and clear efforts to educate would be a good start.