Lebanums

I live round the corner from Dunstans (Peckham Rye side), a whatsapp group was set up to help each other during covid & is now a bit of a mini forum. If you DM me your details, I can request you are added.

Definitely report it, they came and drilled a hole in our road at 11pm one evening to take a sample to determine if they needed to resurface the road. I informed the council, and they were not aware of this. "Con"way appears to be a law unto their own with no consequence, but the council continues to use them. I would love to take a peek at their tendering process and the number of variations on each of the major jobs they do.

Absolutely not, I think it's much more convenient to have the buses. I found it worse cycling on Rye Lane with the closures in place. Pedestrians walk into the road without looking, and make the commute slower and more stressful. On the days I need to get the train its so much more convenient to take the bus all the way to the station.

Is there any news of when Rye Lane is being opened to busses? I'm having to drop & collect my wife from the station each day for work.

Then we have the age-old problem of pollution in creating electric. Until renewable energy is fully utilised, it will only shift the pollution elsewhere.

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lebanums putting on lots more buses would also > make it less convenient to drive and courage modal > shift from cars to public transport. > > But for some reason the council only seem to care > about implementing the Tory' s plans to force > everyone to cycle. Whilst also not giving bike theft any attention *sigh*

DulwichCentral Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Those against: Journeys are longer because of LTNS > - people who drive less than a mile now have to > drive further. > Those for: Why are they driving less than a mile? > Those against: Because they are disabled. > Those for: What about mobility scooters? Is a > single occupancy car the best way to do a short > journey in climate emergency? > Those against: Not ALL drivers are disabled - some > are working parents or key workers getting to > work. > Those for: Well *some* of those people are > abled-bodied and could walk / cycle / use public > transport. They are more likely to switch to > sustainable transport if the safe routes are there > for them to do so. > Those against: ??? Not against if done correctly, but the public transport network is inadequate, especially if you are away from LL. Direct access to train stations & connections to other neighbourhoods is lacking. It should not be about making it inconvenient for drivers, but simply make public transport more convenient/accessible and the shift will happen naturally.

Blah Blah, it doesn't sound like there is any rationalising with you, I think there may be bigger issues at the heart of all this. Good luck in finding peace. Namaste.

The park is for everyone, and we are a community. All of us older ones have been partying in our time without a care for anyone else. Let's put this in perspective, it was 3 days or 30 hours of party, as previously said, that's 362 days of peace and quiet, and it finished at 10, so it was not keeping anyone up in the evening, sorry for those on shifts. Many people have had works done to their home during lockdown, which lasted way more than 3 days. I'm sure we were all more accommodating for our neighbours... The partygoers were respectful. I get some comments about weeing & bottles, but there have been many groups hanging around drinking in Sexby gardens for months with their nicked Borris bikes, leaving their bottles on the ground, so Gala cannot be held responsible for one or two ignorant individuals. Regarding the state of the grass, the grass at the entrance of Dunstans has disappeared, but this has been like this since lockdown began, so can't all be blamed on the festival. The site will repair itself as it has done in the past, and I'm sure I will find you all on here next year with the same complaints. So until then I bid you goodbye.

Joepeckham1982 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This discussion is so utterly over the top. I went > on Friday and had a GREAT time. On Saturday the > noise was quite annoying - I live just off the > common - but it wasn?t that bad. Young people have > put up with so much over the past 18 months. They > have suffered a lot for other people. Rather than > complaining, people should be pleased that life is > returning to normal, and the night economy is > coming back to life - creating jobs for people. > The organisers of the festival should be praised > for taking a risk at a time of uncertainty and > creating value for the economy. A city is for > everyone. I?m glad so many people had fun. Hear hear, It's like no one has ever had guests round their house & kept their neighbours up, or lived next door to noisey kids who are actually just being kids. It's a community here & we make small sacrifices for others. It's only 3 days a year & finishes at 10pm. I live 2 streets away & took a walk over last night, it was so great to see people having fun.

It is not acceptable regardless of opinion, pop some barbed wire around the post next time.

Gala have been pretty good at leaving the rye how they found it in the past, aside from the worn out areas from foot traffic, but it all grows back. They are also very good at chauffeuring people out in the evening with minimal disturbance. This comes from the experience of being at the event and a neighbour.

There are many people who visit outside ED, especially for shops like Roullier White & Mrs Robinson. It was the whole argument when CPZ was being introduced.

I'm pleased the bus stop is now open, better accessibility for those with restricted mobility. The pavement across the road is already wide, it is simply that some restaurants have taken up the space with tables & chairs. The fact that cars can be parked outside the shops encourages business from outside ED (silver linings).

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lebanums Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I don't believe the answer is to make it > difficult for private car ownership. Make other > options more > > attractive. There is no longer direct access to > a train station for those of us who live away > from > > LL or on the Peckham Rye side. The request to > extend the 63 to Honor Oak Park has been > requested > > for years, but nothing has happened, there is no > longer access to Peckham Rye. What are we > supposed > > to do? > > > > Sadly you do have to have harsher measures to > discourage drivers as for many this is what it > takes to reduce the number of journeys. That's > not to say improved public transport, safer > walking and cycling aren't important, or that > current measures are perfect (not commenting on > the current LTN). > > In 2017 the nudge unit aka Behavioural Insights > Team did some work with the Heathrow estates team > (Heathrow is like a town in its own right and > there are a wide number of businesses that go > beyond aviation). You have a fairly well defined > shift pattern, but most commute in a single > occupancy vehicle. Interventions included making > car sharing more convenient, but in terms of pick > ups but going as far as whether you drove with the > radio on, and what station. > > Results were pretty disappointing. "A range of > light touch interventions were trialled, and many > of them did not yield a significant effect. This > highlights the complex challenge of increasing > sustainable travel of staff, using low cost > behavioural measures" > > Discouraging driving can be seen as financial > incentives to those reducing their carbon > footprint/pollution emissions in paying less to > the government than currently through vehicle > excise duty (road user charging). There could be > sweeteners/rewards but not sure who should pay for > these, as those who don't drive would essentially > be subsidising this. > > It's a long and detailed report but here is one of > the interesting conclusions: > > The divergence between stated preferences and > observed behaviour > > This project provided further evidence of the gap > between attitudes and observed behaviours and > should reaffirm to practitioners that they should > not to take self-reported opinions, especially > those > reported to employers, at face value when devising > transport interventions. The gap between stated > preferences and observed behaviour is a > well-documented phenomenon which was reaffirmed > by > this project the magnitude of difference surprised > us. > > Despite nearly the majority of drivers expressing > that they would car share if they could find > someone with a similar shift pattern who lives > near them, registration rates for the car sharing > scheme were unexpectedly low. > > https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen > t/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/5863 > 76/sustainable-travel-evaluation-of-low-cost-workp > lace-interventions.pdf > > Interventions included a free bus pass, but this > had limited uptake, and few continued to use the > bus after the offer ended. I can only speak from my own experience but I've had to use my car more since the measures were put in place. Living on the Peckham Rye side of ED, I am no longer able to get to a station in good time, meaning I use my car instead. It takes me double the time to get to work on PT than driving. After an already long day, I'm not going to add time to my journey. Both myself and my partner have a car which we need for getting to work. We work in different directions, not in the city. We would love to get rid of one on them. Lockdown and wfh have made us believe we can do that, but when we are all back in the office, I'm not sure if it will be possible. We are holding on to them for now. I never got my drivers license until I was in my 30s on moving to ED. Walking and using PT to get around ED is fine, but going further is an issue. I have also experienced with friends and neighbours that we have become more aware of our green spaces, and we need to look after our world, mindsets are changing. I believe that improving networks will change habits. I hope I'm not being too optimistic.

I don't believe the answer is to make it difficult for private car ownership. Make other options more attractive. There is no longer direct access to a train station for those of us who live away from LL or on the Peckham Rye side. The request to extend the 63 to Honor Oak Park has been requested for years, but nothing has happened, there is no longer access to Peckham Rye. What are we supposed to do? In attempting to make it more difficult for drivers, public transport users have been limited, forcing us to use our cars. Getting around East Dulwich is fine, but it is not so well-connected to our neighbours. By only consulting the few, the many are impacted. The whole community needs to be engaged in ideas and decisions, so we will buy in to new measures instead of fighting against one another, while the council slips something else under the radar.

The street I live in has a Whatsapp chat group with both streets perpendicular to ours, who both want cycle hangars, but none are prepared to have them in front of their own home because they also own a car, and think they look ugly, but are completely prepared for others to have the burden. We recently had a letter proposing 2 cycle hangars on our street. It is a small street with around 25 houses. Most, if not all, of us who own a bike already have a shed in our front garden, and parking is already tight due to overflow from other streets. So obviously, we have all written with our objections.

It depends on what your trip of 1?km is, maybe take an elderly person to the doctor or hospital. I see too many judgements about this kind of route without understanding the needs. Also, if my work journey was well-connected, I would be delighted to get rid of my car, it's the only thing I use it for. I came from a small town, so waiting 10 mins on a bus is easy!

I'm glad a friendlier post has been created. Many of the previous threads seemed to take aim at one another without solving the problem. Private car owners are not the bad guys here. What I find is ED, is cut off from other areas unless you live just off LL, making it more convenient to use our cars. I have lived in several places, i.e. a small town in Scotland, Glasgow, Oslo, West London, all well-connected. Then when I moved to ED, I got my drivers license and purchased a car because I could not get to work easily. Living at the Forest Hill Road end of East Dulwich, it is now even more difficult to use public transport to get to work due to the buses that no longer service Peckham Rye station, and there has never been a bus that connects to Honor Oak Park. It also takes me half the time to drive, so why would I add more time to my already busy day? I don't believe roads need to be shut off to improve pollution, nor do we have to penalise drivers who make necessary journeys, which may also be less than 1?km. To change mindsets, public transport must be improved.

I don't believe it is a case of closing off streets or a whole village to make "our streets safer" What the council have failed to do is make public transport more accessible. I work in Greenwich, in the summer I cycle. In the winter if I use public transport, I would take a bus to then get off & walk up The Lane to the station then another 40 mins onward journey when it can take me 25 mins in my car. There is also a train from Honor Oak Park but there is not a bus that will take me there either. 🙄

I am also a little nervous of dogs having never had any growing up. I manage with friends dogs but I don't want strange dogs running & jumping up at me. It's not a case of let them approach you. It's complete disregard for other park users. Another issue is not picking up after their dogs, there is so much poo on the streets at the moment.

I was doing my usual walk in the park this morning & passed a group of people with dogs. As I walked passed one of the dogs jumped up at the back of me. The owner shouted on his dog & did not apologise. This is the second time this has happened in the last few weeks. If owners are not able to control their dogs then they should be on a lead. Some people are nervous around dogs, especially untrained ones. The park is for everyone