one white guy, one black. the white one was early 20's 5'9"ish skinny, wore a kind of mottled hoodie(suprise,suprise!) and the black guy was about 25/30, 6', stocky, short hair in litte twisty spikes and was the main attacker, the white guy was the driver of the car. the police think the glove I discribed may have been a police issue riot glove!! re enforced kevlar knuckles and wrist support. Cassius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > KK - that does sound truely awful. My partner > drives a van as do a few of my friends, I will > make them aware of what happened to you. I know > if must have been dreadful and I expect your > attention was on getting away safely but do you > have even a vauge description of them so that we > can be aware if we see them.