ImpetuousVrouw

They are also going to be working and paying tax for many years to come so the government can pay people to wipe your arse when you're old Hugo and hopefully I won't be bunged into a paid-by-the-tax-payer nursing home when I lose my faculties - so you see, they will be paying society back for the bit of help we received.

I have 4 kids and I have always worked. For the last 10 years I was a single parent, but I still worked. My son is in his last year at Uni, my daughter has a a daughter and works, my 2nd daughter is at college and my youngest has just started secondary school. I don't have much money even though I'm on about ?33K at the moment because my kids always need something, but I use Freecycle for everything I need and buy most of my clothes including my suits from charity shops. I grow some veg and have fruit bushes and cycle to work. I have a biggish family, and for most of the past 20 odd years have had varying income including being on benefits for some time, but now I am in my 40's and have 4 amazing, caring and hardworking kids who will pay back the benefits I received after my divorce 10 fold - so don't assume that someone who hasn't got the money shouldn't have a big family.

The 'keep dogs on short lead' signs in Dulwich Park do not have the force of law because there was no dog control order made to back them up. If someone puts up a sign saying you have to hop around on one leg, but there is no law saying you have to, then you don't have to hop on one leg if you don't want to.

Went today with my kids, neices and granddaughter. they all loved it.

Does Tarot hear voices?

But like Hal says. When the gas or oil breaks down, it would naturally release it's carbon into the atmosphere anyway, so using it as a fuel source is not releasing any extra carbon. Plus when the plants are growing in order to produce the gas or oil, they absorb carbon from the atmosphere so the whole process works out being carbon neutral, i.e. what is absorbed is the same as that released when burned. Same with wood. Coal and non-green gas are souces of carbon that have been captured millions of years ago and will be released now with no absorption happening to compensate, as the absorbtion already happened when they were living, millions of years ago.

I'm already with them for my leccy, just signed up for their gas, thanks.

Here's a link to the 'lamping' of foxes for pest control. So if you have a gun and licence plus someone to hold a lamp, you can shoot the foxes at night if you wanted to.

Whether he is a troll or not, he did bring up an interesting point. Why are some animals ok to exterminate and others not? Is it because some are more likely to cause disease, or can get into your home? I don't know. I did think though that you are permitted to shoot foxes by the way.

Marmora Man Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > rahrahrah Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Marmora Man Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > However, my suggestion of a part tax payer > > > funded NHS > > > > supplemented by local fund raising efforts > > > would > > > > mean that the quality of the local hospital > > > would > > > > depend upon the quality of local support. > > > > > > The reality of this model would be poor > > hospitals > > > in poor areas. > It's a conservative standpoint so that is actually > the whole idea really > > Brendan - your relentless opposition to all or any > ideas that emanate from right of centre and your > characterisation of all conservatives / Tories as > evil toffs intent on doing down the "poor" tends > to become boring. You need to move on from student > yah boo politics to the more elevated arena of > rational discussion. > > Plenty of poor areas have benefitted from the > efforts of their own community to improve matters > - a close friend of mine, a Tory, has spent most > of the last ten years living in and facilitating > such efforts in a run down, drug & crime ridden > area of south London. Your views, and those of > rahrahrah seem patronising, implying as they do > that the poor or poor areas are not capable of > organising themselves to support a local charity / > hospital / facility MM, you don't seem to understand what life is like when you are poor in the UK. Poor people tend to get paid less per hour than wealthier people. So in order to have a half decent standard of living, they have to work more hours than people who are paid more per hour than they are. Earning the minimum wage would give you less than ?240 per week before tax and NI are taken out, so after they have paid their rent/mortgage and council tax there is not much left to use for anything more than survival spending. If someone on minimum wage wants to earn enough to afford to treat themselves once in a while, they have to work longer hours, often in a second job. So they are not lazy or incapable of fighting for better facilities in their areas, most are too exhausted. They don't have time to ponce about in Cafe Nero and sneer at people worse off than them, they have to work out how many more hours they need to work to replace the broken washing machine/fridge/bed/sofa etc.

And poor areas where most of the people work too hard to have time to do anything else would have crap local hospitals - widening the already big gap between the health and life expectancy of the poor and their middle-class or wealthier neighbours.

Tarot, don't you know to shut up when the adults are talking?

I got a vote through my union, and put Dianne Abbott No 1 and Andy Burnham No 2 - didn't know he had backed the Iraq war though and wouldn't have voted for him if I'd known it.

It's something I believe in Sean. I don't agree with the idea of moving the funding of the NHS from taxation towards charity. If we want to talk about specifics, I'd also look at cutting NHS funding for treatments that are not fundamentally necessary if the NHS is in crisis. Not sure what they would be, but maybe IVF, sex change, breast implants, homeopathy etc could be looked at. Also I would look at the prices charged by drug companies and see if there was a cheaper way to look after the Nation's health including more use of generic medication, more preventative work, such as gym prescriptions or free exercise classes. Ban cigarettes maybe and a ban on disgusting crap being marketed as food to children. More allotments, less pollution spewing out of cars. I said probably, because I'm being realistic. I've been involved in a lot of campaigns for a lot of issues I cared about in the past and am feeling less inclined to donate my time nowadays because I'm more cynical about what can be acheived and the people who make the decisions. If things got really bad, then I would not be able to sit back, but wasting my energy before that point is not something I think I would do anymore. Not that I have to explain myself to you.

Not sure if I was being self-rightious, I was expressing an opinion and as you don't know me, don't presume I don't do anything about things I care about.

I'm working too hard to pay my taxes that fund it already mycroft, but if the hospital was under threat, then I probably would get involved, because that's what I do if I give a shit about something. And sometimes it works.

Maybe it he did really write some rubbish and he thought it was going to be in the Torycrap but it was way too rubbish even for that crappy rag.

People shoved kids up chimneys and down pits for hundreds of years too - doesn't mean it is something that should be brought back just because it's not been the way things have been done for less time than the period in which it was commonplace. We have a world class healthcare system because it is funded through general taxation. Any acceptance that the NHS should not be funded through taxation or make up short falls in funding through charity will make it easier for the the Tories to break up and destroy the NHS. I am actually against the need for fundraising in the NHS. I think the time spent trying to get patients to make donations after they have received treatment, should be spent lobbying the government and organising willing patients to lobby their MP's for the funding. Getting people active and fighting for their local hospital is far more useful in the long run than guilt-tripping them into putting their hands in their pockets.

Tarot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As far as insulting people goes. there as been a > fair bit of that directed at me. There is a > certain clique on this forum, who gang up like > little meercats when they feel threatened. (gang > acyivity). The tracksuit fashion is dead. Baseball > hats are outdated american. Trainers are crap. ( > saying it is a poor option,is ridiculous).Mugs pay > too much money for stupid ugly footwear. Almost a > weeks rent for some people. So what? Who are you, the fashion Taleban?

Brendan's got competition anyway with the new and very sexy Rubsley! (Sorry Brendan - you are still well hot tho!)

We should all keep our eyes peeled for the next time they come in.

I love a bit of arse kissing if I'm the recipient!

I have no problem with slagging off chain pubs - not keen on the comments slagging off their customers.

I hate snotty b@stards who look down on people who have less money than them. Especially when said snotty b@stards profess to be one of the lads and their social climbing has given them vertigo.

Ok, so being poor means you're a w@nker and an arsehole. Well done guys, that includes me and most of the people I know. In my opionion, you've been stuck up your own arses for too long and forgot what life is like outside your fabulous fucking circle of cnuts.