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That is a shame - I suspect the machinery will probably be blocking the area in front of the gate near the bridge and it looks like they will use Cox's Walk for access and movement of materials.

It is going to be very interesting to see what the results of the consultation are on the CPZs in particular and what the council do next if the results go against them...I very much suspect they will proceed with it anyway as they were starting to allude to them having the final say (whatever the result) when Cllr McAsh gave his update.

<Removed personal jibe - please see orange notice at the top of this board> Climate change is happening and it is being caused by human behaviour and one of the biggest problems right now is people aren't prepared to make the sacrifices required. People are happy to sit and rant on and on about the damage humans are doing to the planet yet don't actually look at their own actions - we all trim things around the edges but are many actually doing everything they can to afford change and even if they do are those changes significant enough to have an impact? There is a worrying selfishness coming over people post-Covid that I really did not think would be the lasting legacy of the crisis and I am starting to very much subscribe to the mantra that those who shout loudest have the most to hide - as I see it time and time again from people in the area - a sort of climate change hypocrisy, people trying to convince themselves that they are doing their bit when they are very much part of the problem rather than the solution. Things are not helped by those who try to sell things like LTNs and CPZs on the basis that somehow their implementation is going to help climate change - it is utter codswallop and complete greenwashing and the council know this and are jumping on the bandwagon trying to dupe people that their plans are for the greater good - and they often find a willing audience like Clean Air Dulwich et al who will do their bidding for them. Perhaps, just perhaps, the CPZ feedback will be the catalyst for the council to be a little bit more transparent and do their best to unite the community rather than divide it but, to be fair, I said that after the LTN fiasco and this council leopard has not changed its spots and seems, like most politicians nowadays, to go looking for rifts to widen rather than narrow.....

Funny how irate some people have got about this (especially on EDF Facebook); all the person behind this is doing is encouraging people to respond to the consultation and putting their point across to try to influence the way people respond - which is exactly the same as the council did with the much glossier leaflets they spent money on producing and putting through letterboxes about the very same consultation. Clean Air Dulwich and Dulwich Roads are doing the exact same thing on social media.

Ha ha...very good! 😉 <Removed personal jibe> BTW here is a copy of the flyer that was left on cars across the area.

Great name!

Perhaps they need to find a good pair of cycling shorts with a good chamois..!!! Malumbu - it's pure political opportunism, he thinks he has something that will resonate with the electorate, and we need to put it in the same bin as environmental opportunism, greenwashing and environmental hypocrisy.....all of which are very prevalent nowadays as well.

Yes it was clearly an attempt by Lime to improve their PR and I am not sure if it did what they intended. It's clear there are problems with the way Lime manages the service, the way people use the services, the way councils are totally uncoordinated in their approach to the implementation and management of these programmes and it is clear Lime is desperate to be the only operator in the game. It all reads like it's a bit Wild West out there with no-one really knowing what's going on and everyone being blinded by the promise of a £ opportunity at the end of the rainbow.

What I find amazing is the enthusiasm from the council and their supporters to pour yet more money into that junction (how much tax-payers money has gone into it thus far and now they want to spend even more?) yet junctions that actually need attention - like the Lordship Lane and East Dulwich Grove nightmare - go untouched. I would be interested to hear CAD's thoughts on the removal of the pedestrian refuges at the junction of East Dulwich Grove and Red Post Hill (which are wrapped into the plans that they are so keen to validate and support in Dulwich Square!).

Interesting read: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/14/tiny-proportion-of-e-scooter-injuries-appear-in-official-uk-data

Interesting read: https://amp.theguardian.com/cities/2024/jan/14/lime-bikes-london-pavements-wayne-ting-ebikes-scooters

Whomever did it has gone to a great effort to cover as many streets as possible (I saw some cars on the driveways of houses in Dulwich Village this morning with them on) and by looking at some of the reactions on the EDF Facebook page they have really annoyed a few folks - the comment on whomever did it must be a "bored housewife with a bee in their bonnet or a husband who is impotent" is an absolute classic and has managed to draw even more attention to the message in the leaflets. Bravo to the mystery leaflet dropper! https://m.facebook.com/groups/900015513463302/permalink/3158225520975612/

Because if you took a walk around the local streets you would have seen cars with the leaflets still on them......... And this morning there were still cars on many roads with them on. P.S. I presume you are somehow trying to suggest I was behind it...love it (if that is the suggestion you are wrong).. .there are some typos in it and I am a stickler for proper proof reading! 😉

Seems they have been dropped all over Dulwich, seem to have been put on cars on most roads within the proposed CPZ area. Probably someone who feels the council has done a poor job promoting the consultation and decided to give them a helping hand! 😉

I think what has happened is the cycle wands on Dulwich Village northbound have been creating tailbacks through the village since they went in as it reduces the northbound to one lane and the long tailbacks through the Village (especially at weekends) is not good but again, pedestrians come bottom of the pile when it comes to protection etc. All the council are doing is trying to fix a problem of their making and it is ludicrous that the refuge is being removed, especially as the new lane will create an increased frequency of cars turning right. The council seem to be losing all sense of reality.

I am pretty sure they are referring to the refuge at the crossroads junction not outside the station so the photo is right - see the consultation document - the refuges have been removed from the schematic and it says: EXISTING TRAFFIC ISLAND TO BE REMOVED FROM ALL FOUR ARMS (caps because I copied from the doc ;-)) https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/dulwich-village-phase-3-design/supporting_documents/Red Post Hill Junction Consultation Plan.pdf I think they are doing it because they are trying to improve the flow of traffic from Dulwich Village and increase/advance the cycle stoplines - at the moment it is pretty much one lane northbound on Dulwich Village as you approach the junction due to the cycle wands and that is what has been causing the congestion backing up through Dulwich Village (and pollution outside Hamlets). They also want to put "new advanced cycle stoplines" in place and I suspect both of these have come at the cost to pedestrians - which is ludicrous given the number of children and adults that use that junction given it's proximity to both the station and Charter - at every light phase you see people using the refuge.

....seems like a really bad idea as I always see lots of Charter kids taking refuge halfway across the road - does anyone know why the council want to/need to remove this? I am not sure about anyone else but their new consultation documents seem to be very light of reasons why they need to make changes like this - there is never any explanation. https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/dulwich/dulwich-residents-warn-removing-traffic-island-could-endanger-pedestrians/ https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/dulwich-village-phase-3-design/supporting_documents/Red Post Hill Junction Consultation Plan.pdf

A police officer friend of mine once said that when police raid a house there a three things they are worried about (in order of the threat they pose to do officers harm): 1) dogs 2) the person's partner 3) the person you're actually after .....with the first too far more likely to cause a problem than the latter and that is why they often go in suited and booted!

Bottom-line is we live in a city with an increasing crime problem and crime honours no boundaries - I remember many years ago someone was the victim of what was referred to at the time as a gangland style murder in broad daylight at lunchtime on Barry Road.

Snowy, what point are you trying to make with that table as all it shows is that traffic got faster during lockdown? The 2021 figures you have shared only go to March of that year and we were still in a lockdown period then - what is really interesting is what happened after lockdown lifted and after the LTNs and new infrastructure went in. Tom Tom is claiming an average speed in rush hour of 8.6mph in London - doesn't compare too well with the TFL figures you quote. Also, I am right that Sadiq's office is being a little liberal with the truth by quoting TFL figures when Tom Tom's are from all London roads not just the TFL ones? Am I correct in thinking that the TFL roads road around here are the A205 and Lordship Lane etc?

Let me correct you I didn't fall for anything - I was merely asking whether anyone saw the quite lengthy section that the BBC News ran on it - perhaps they are gullible too!!! 😉 Some on here always love a knee-jerk Pavlovian reaction anytime someone posts something you don't agree with and love to throw in a bit of finger-pointing! I am presuming you did not see it? Here's the link to it starts at 3.24 in. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001v6pw/bbc-london-late-news-10012024 37 minutes and 20 seconds to do a 10km journey does seem quite long does it not and that is a one minute increase since last year? And they only exclude one continent from the survey it covers 387 cities across 55 countries on 6 continents. Interesting that Sadiq's spokesperson claims the report is misleading yet then goes on to say that TFL's data shows no lengthening of journeys on their roads since 2019 (interesting that they selected that date given traffic levels are still lower on many roads post-pandemic and travel pattern have changed) but, correct me if I am wrong TFL doesn't run all of the roads in London does it - it only controls 5% of them? If so, maybe Sadiq's spokesperson is trying to mislead people!

Anyone else see on the BBC London News tonight that London is officially the slowest city in the world……for the second year running…..with Sadiq and council rollouts of 20mph being cited as one of the main causes? I am not…I am flagging the nonsnese of traffic planners “keeping everything in-house”….we’ve seen it all before so many times….Dr Aldred et al being awarded £1.5m to research the effectiveness of LTNs….which she lobbied for and the funding for her research provided by the very authorities who rolled the LTNs out…they love a closed shop!

BBC News - Wales 20mph speed limit adviser to lead review https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-67940087 Ha ha, more local authorities marking their own homework....its ludicrous they think this is acceptable....

Do we interpret this that Alleyn's have offered to meet in person yet CAD has not taken up the offer? It will be interesting to hear from CAD on how the meeting with Alleyn's goes and whether they believe they are doing enough. If CAD doesn't take up the offer to meet you'd have to question why not given Alleyn's have been the focal point of their crusade.

I don't think you have understood the point I was making! 😉