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No I am sharing data that's there in black and white from a report you linked to. Here is the title page for the Calton Avenue page (note how safety is also two out of five stars): Then you scroll down to Deprivation and this is what you see - I have highlighted the 7/10 element. That is referring to Calton - there is no reference to anywhere else (I suspect this is why the Safety overview is two of five stars for Calton). It's there in black and white. I cannot make it any clearer.

@Earl Aelfheah I am not shovelling anything - that comes from the report you shared with everyone to supposedly show how wrong I was. Do you agree now that it says Calton Avenue is "not safe" according to the report you shared? Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention Also where are you finding the 3/10 as when you go to the Calton Page and scroll down two sections below to the Deprivation section within the Affluence sub-head it clearly says the following: https://streetscan.co.uk/postcode/se21-7de Crime Domain - 7/10 (above average ) The Crime Domain measures the risk of people and property being victims of crime in a local area. There is only reference to Calton Avenue on that page.

Ha ha....we see what you're doing - so predictable! Nice try at deflection....but it does refer to Calton Avenue as "not safe" and that the "Crime Domain" is 7/10 with an above average risk of crime doesn't it? Come on, admit it does! I would suggest you properly read the materials you are sharing to everyone in future.....;-)

@Earl Aelfheah you owe me an apology..... Pasted below is a screenshot from the very website you shared with everyone. Click on the link and scroll down to Safety....what does it say......I look forward to your response (I presume you didn't bother checking that part of the website). https://streetscan.co.uk/postcode/se21-7de

But it is not in this case. I refer to the chart - theft from person is at a high since 2010 and seemingly getting worse - it has been increasing since 2021 doubled between 2023 and 2024 and is on track to be higher again in 2025. It's not something to laugh at. In fact, the site @Earl Aelfheah sent me to to see those stats actually refers to Calton Avenue as "not safe" and that the "Crime Domain" is 7/10 with an above average risk of crime.

Of course violent crime is important but (given the police definitions) but, and I have explained this so many times before, the categories I selected we done so carefully on the basis of police definitions around street robberies etc. I am afraid it is you who are doing some selective plucking....again... Ha ha, I was trying to work out where you think I made stuff up about pollution and suspect you are referring to my comments on the original changes to the road layout at the junction of DV and Calton/Court Lane long before the closures of that junction. The council's own report on the measures showed pollution had increased. You only ever seem to default to accusing people of making stuff up when people have shown you to be wrong. You're quoting making stuff up a lot at the moment - how should we intepret that....;-) But trending up massively (in some categories) against the Calton average..... for example a 100% year on year increase in theft from person to the highest levels ever recorded. Some of us are concerned about what is ACTUALLY happening locally so please stop trying to hide behind London averages etc - it's a pure deflection tactic. @snowy good to see that you find increases in crime funny....not a good look but each to their own I suppose!

And you know theft from person went up by over 100% in Calton Avenue....so are you saying Calton's theft rate is increasing at a significantly faster rate than the London average?

No it did not refer to LTNs or road layouts....goodness me....it was a crime prevention leaflet - if I remember rightly it offered advice like fitting crook locks to cars etc. It was a blue A5 postcard sized flyer.

Crime prevention advice for residents. They knocked on the door, spoke to the resident and left a leaflet. Do you not believe that either? I didn't realise some of you were such doubting Thomas's - if I had I would have kept it!

I do, very much so - it is why it vexes me so much that so few people seem to obey the rules and as someone who does stop being admonished for doing so shows how much of a problem this is. But this is not just a London problem - has anyone been to Amsterdam recently - good grief? I know people hold that up as the cycling nirvana but if the city centre is a peek into the cycling dream everyone better wake-up soon because it is a nightmare!

So limited robbery, theft from person and other theft then in your area? So you are not seeing the increased theft from person that we are close to the LTN?

I no longer have a copy of said leaflet. It is a given because it did happen - you're going to have to change a habit of a lifetime and take my word for it.

I think the ITV article sums it up perfectly when they say so far in 2025 284 cyclists have been fined by the City of London Police for jumping red lights yet they counted 200 doing exactly that in one hour at one set of lights. I very much suspect councils and police will start to enforce this more rigorously as clearly the message is not getting through - there is a gold mine of PCNs waiting to be issued! 😉

Why have you thrown violent crime in there? Who was talking about that? Are you trying to distract and divert again? Why have you thrown violent crime in there? Who was talking about that? Are you trying to distract and divert again? @DulvilleRes is your concern here that we should not talk about things that might shine the council in a less than negative light? Is this why you object so much that it might mean people start holding the council to account for their actions - after all some on here claim the ballot box is the only time you are allowed to ask for accountability from our councillors. Whether people support the LTNs are not they are all united by their concerns over the crime in the area - probably best the councillors try to address it. But @malumbu for those living in the area and on the affected streets they are very concerned about the rising crime rates and, in particular, the nasty nature of a lot of the offences that have real, lasting, impact on the victims. Police have advised residents to call 999 the moment they see anyone wearing a balaclava. Perhaps, as you point out, Dulwich Village is proving to be a lucrative area and the criminals are targeting it. Bottom-line remains that residents are concerned (it seems a lot of residents outside the immediate area aren't concerned). When you look at streets beyond the immediate area of the LTN it is clear similar levels of increasing types of crime is not being seen (despite the wider London increases in said crime). So what is so unique about the streets around the LTN? Maybe it is purely co-incidental but, given those crimes stats (and the comparison of London crime over all the years) you can clearly see that something different is happening post Covid. Given PCSOs have been door-knocking and distributing leaflets and saying there does seem to be a link to the quieter streets I would suggest something is happening - whether you want to admit it or not. Look at what the 3 Priorities for the Met Engage team for Dulwich Village have currently: Dealing with crimes related to motor vehicles - including theft of motor vehicle, theft from a motor vehicle and vehicle interference. Issued 01 April 2025 Robbery and Theft - Dealing with robberies and theft snatch throughout the ward, predominantly aimed at school students. Issued 01 April 2025 Our latest community survey highlighted an increased concern regarding Violence against Women and Girls within Dulwich Village, including areas within the ward which are particularly dark and leave members of the community feeling vulnerable.

@Earl Aelfheah but it is not. The numbers and trends are there for all to see. You are trying to distract and deflect. This is clearly why the PCSO told.me what they did. I know you dont like it but that doesn't mean it isn't an issue or concern. Again where have I actually said that? You're trying to put words in to my mouth. The proof is in the numbers @Earl Aelfheah shared that in the 5 years since the LTNs went in certain crimes have been increasing. You cannot deny that.

It is when, since 2024 I have been looking at three specific types of crime. You're using it as a "nothing unusual going on here" diversion tactic. You're trying to make it about all crimes. I am looking at those that the residents of the area are most concerned about growing. And your stats confirm they are growing and have been since the closures went in. Surely you can agree to that fact at least? But what residents are concerned about is not the average but what is actually happening in their area, what they see, feel and hear every day and that is an upward trend since around 2020/2021. I was saying that, you doubted my original stats and now your stats confirm it too. We can safely say, and surely all agree, that there has never been as many cases of reported theft from person in the Calton area and there has been a significant uptick since 2020/2021.

@Earl Aelfheah I am not looking at all crime (but I am sure you know that are desperately trying to deflect and distract). From the outset I have focused on the three crime types locals are most concerned about and those that may benefit from quieter streets. But I am sure you cannot also help but notice that previous London-wide crime trends have not been mirrored in the Calton LTN area historically. But now it is. Also, I looked at other streets like Burbage, Eynella and Crystal Palace Road and some further afield in Dulwich and the same upward trends were not being recorded - judt look at Theft from Person over the years. That website is great, thanks for sharing.

@DulvilleRes I am afraid for you, and the other naysayers on here, the PCSO was very much real and very much said what they said! I know that really upsets you but it is very much the truth!!! I am not entering the Cheese Shop war discussion because clearly you need to sell a lot of cheese to make money no matter where you are located (the owner of the cheese shop was a big fan of the LTN) but the increasing numbers of empty shops around the Dulwich Village LTN does seem to run counter to everything we heard from the council and lobbyists that LTNs improve footfall and people spend more in LTN areas. Of course, there are a lot of things that contribute to shops making or breaking it but empty shop after empty shop since the LTN went in is not a good look. @Earl Aelfheah thanks for much for sharing the Streetscan link as it is helping me to avoind having to do things manually... Interesting when you use that site to look at the categories of crime that I have looked at (robbery, theft from person and other theft). Let's look back over your famous "5 years since the LTN went in" - what has happened to the robbery and theft from person category in the LTN area (you selected) in particular? Do you have any explanation for that - just a co-incidence perhaps? So it looks pretty clear (even by your data) that we can say that some crimes have increased over the last 5 years around the LTN. Do you agree as the resource you sent definitely confirms that? P.S. Thanks for sending that link as it is saving me so much time!

It seems attention to the problem of red light jumpers is getting more attention and I susoect more enforcement will follow: https://www.itv.com/news/london/2025-08-05/itv-news-cameras-catch-200-cyclists-running-a-red-light-in-just-one-hour

Oh wow, why are some of you so sceptical? Why would I make that up? Do you not believe or not want to believe? The denial syndrome is off the scale! They were leafletting houses and knocking on doors.

That's a bit rich! I have been very clear why I looked at those three categories - if you look back at my original post in 2024 I explain why as this was in relation to phone snatches and increases in street crime that were being reported at the time. Those are categories that are most relevant to street crime. Again, I have been very clear that 2021 was only a partial set of data. 2022/2023 and now 2024 are full sets of data. Ah, so you acknowledge then that your crime is not increased in the London 72 LTNs in the the Aldred report may have to come with a caveat of Covid lockdowns - excellent. I am glad we have established that. That one category falls between 2022 and 2023 so not sure what your point is there. Again putting words in to my mouth - where do I say 2025 is the time of the spike in crime. I think you are trying to weave a erroneous narrative again. No one can say what the final crime figures will be for 2025 but it does look like theft from person could well be higher again - doesn't it? The others look like they may trend lower. Yes I am looking at annual figures - that's a 12 month period or one calendar year. You are focusing in on a 5 month period - that is not a 12 month period or a calendar year - you comparing apples with pears as you desperately try to deflect. It's a bit like the cycle lobby only looking at cycling in the summer months and claiming great increases in cycling!!! This is part of the modus operandi I am afraid..... @Dogkennelhillbilly the issue with @Earl Aelfheah is that they repeatedly accuse me of saying things that I do not say. They are accusing me of making up that the PCSO told me that there was a correlation between road closures and increases in crime. I did not make that up - that is the issue here. For goodness sake the PCSOs were knocking on people's doors and delivering leaflets..... Now....given you have bothered to ask me what I think rather than trying to put words into my mouth as others love to do.... Do I think that LTNs create an environment where certain types of crime are easier to execute? Absolutely. Do I think we are seeing that play out in some parts of Dulwich to detriment of people who live there? Absolutely. Do I think there are a group of people who will never accept that or agree with that? Absolutely. Do I think they're being deliberately blinkered? Absolutely. Do I think that if they thought rationally about it that they also would see the sense in the argument? Absolutely. Do I think they will be able to bring themselves to do that? Absolutely not.

But what happens when you look at the annual numbers from 2022/2023/2024 and the trend thus far for 20205....? Except, of course, that when you look at the annual numbers they have all been (in the main) all going up....and the only way to really understand the trend is to look at the annualised numbers as there appears to be a seasonality factor at play here, with peaks around certain times of the year. You don't have to be a statistical genius to see the pattern...... A brief reminder of the actual annualised numbers: 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 2024 Robbery: 62 Theft from person: 61 Other theft: 78 2025 up to and including May Robbery: 16 Theft from person: 34 Other theft: 18 I am glad you have corrected the incorrect narrative you were trying to spread about what I had said - it's always best to try to be as accurate as possible. But that is exactly what they told me. You don't believe me and think I am making it up but that's your prerogative. But that doesn't alter the fact they did say it. If only my partner had an account and they could come on here a validate what they said - but I suspect you probably wouldn't believe them too!!! 😉

Ah, so that is the research to which you refer - I thought so. Has anyone done one post-Covid lockdown? Also, what was the control in that 72 LTN research as it doesn't seem to be referenced in the Methodology section? Interesting as well that that piece of research sat outside Aldred and co's larger body of work funded by the DfT to evaluate the Active Travel Plan - any research folks provide any input on why that might be and why that would be referenced in the Conflict of Interest section of the abstract? Yes those 3 categories of crime have risen since 2021, not 2001 (2021 was a far back as the police records available went back when I started the exercise in 2024). But I only said that certain types of crime had increased significantly within the Dulwich Village ward and that a PCSO was telling people there is a link between closed streets and an increase in crime. You have filled in the rest.....and come to your own conclusions (again). So, do you agree then that within the Dulwich Village ward certain types of crime have been increasing since 2021? You don't have to be a statistical genius to agree or disagree with that surely?

But @Earl AelfheahI am not making stuff up and you know this. I shared with you three crime statistics based on numerous years of police data that show that those three categories of crime have been (in the main) growing since 2021. You have then decided to respond that one of the categories is trending lower for the first 5 months of this year. Are we supposed to put out the bunting and have a street party to celebrate this clear deflection technique? I mean, do you have nothing to say about the increases in any of the others? You still haven't sent the link for the 72 London LTNs that you say proves crime falls in LTNs and I suspect I know why - because those results were derived by comparing crime in the period of October 2020 to February 2021 to the corresponding months in 2018/19 and 2019/20. Of course, the potential Achilles heal for that research that is that was that pretty much all crime fell massively during lockdown periods and their review period was across the second Covid lockdown period. Has anyone done anything since that report that compares pre- and post-Covid lockdown period analysis?

Huh? Did I ever mention burglaries? I have consistently shared data for 3 categories of crime: robbery, theft from person and other theft (i.e. the street robbery categories). And when you look at the annual police data for all of those 3 theft categories in DV what does it tell you? I will tell you, again, as you seem incapable of acknowledging it....that the theft categories have been going up every year since 2021 with theft from person more than doubling between 2023 and 2024 and on course this year to be higher again. Are you throwing burglaries in as a distraction/deflection? Or is that the only one you can find that is going down...Come on @Earl Aelfheah these tactics are getting ridiculous now, everyone can see what you are doing? It's all getting so predictable and tiresome now. Well it is a good job I did it for you then for those three theft categories. I could be bothered because I wanted to see what the annual trends were and those are the numbers I presented - I went through each month and added them up for the annual total. I did the research so you didn't have to...!