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I doubt it but looking at how narrow the cycle track currently is they might have to as that chicane will become problematic with the speed some cyclists hurtle down Calton.

That's how I remember it - people used to park in the park (but it was a long time ago!).

Was it a through route - I remember people parking around it?

Earl, congrats - that's by far the most well-thought and rational post you have made yet!!! I am glad you are finally seeing sense - it's taken you a while but glad you have finally joined us! 😉

Apparently they are now operating in the Calton Avenue/Woodwarde Road/Beauval Road area around school drop off and pick-up times.

Why because did that displace traffic onto other routes causing more congestion and pollution as part of efforts to create less congestion and pollution?

I miss the Londis pick and mix! Did Walsh's Glazing used to be where Oliver Bonas is now - did they have two shop frontage or was it further down?

You sound like a councillor trying to justify why they refused to make the changes when the emergency services said that the closures needed to be reopened as they were putting lives at risk. Why is it you all happily turned a blind eye to that? Do you think the emergency services were lying? Do you and the council have some ideological opposition to the emergency services or were they (and the people who needed them) just collateral damage? At least you are acknowledging that they have wasted tax-payers money on it - one step at a time and all that!

This is now the fourth time there have been shovels in the ground...how much more money can the council waste on this folly? I can't wait for the grand opening...I am sure the councillors will be grandstanding their handiwork and avoiding questions about why so much has been spent on one junction.

It's good to have a passion in life!!!! 😉 In all seriousness, you should probably be questioning why people do feel so passionately about and why people are still challenging the council over their wastage of millions of pounds of tax-payers money. Some of us are clearly not happy to turn a blind eye to such wastage.

Don't respond to Raptortruck - it's someone masquerading as petrol head from the pro-LTN side!!! 😉

If I remember rightly there used to be a similar shop in Catford - weird that we used to have arms and militaria shops dotted around South London! Was that the Junction Emporium?

Bravo to Norway - positively encouraging the transition to EVs and it's working! Free parking, use of bus lanes and no tolls for EV drivers - now that is progressive! https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25ljxpygeo

* except in every local consultation the council has run on the issue

I remember that place - always looked a bit creepy inside - did anyone ever venture inside? Lordship Lane certainly used to have an eclectic mix of shops back in the day! And some eclectic bars too - Inside72 was always a great/weird night out.

Oh dear...now you really are living in fantasyland........you mean things like the objections tabled by emergency services because the measures were putting lives at risk (that the council ignored for nigh on a year)? The only ridiculous obstacle in that case were the planters blocking emergency vehicle access - I mean, who thought that was a good idea? That cost a sizeable chunk of cash to put right (once the council finally relented). You're trying, desperately and rather hopelessly, to rewrite history. As is DulvilleRes. Were you there DulvilleRes - there was a huge turnout - especially for one you think is just a small vocal minority? I am with firstmate and I love the fact the pro-LTN usual-suspects put so much time and energy trying to convince people that it is a small vocal minority and get themselves in such a lather; yet actual evidence presented to them (consultation responses, protests, their upset at posters people put in their windows, the number of people trying to attend council meetings on the matter, the vandalism of signs put in people's gardens) is so compelling that it is anything but a small minority. The obsession as to who is behind OneDulwich clearly indicates that they are still a thorn in the side for those on the Pro-LTN side - and that makes me chuckle. If it really was a small vocal minority people would have lost interest by now. But they haven't. And that clearly still really angers some people.

Do you find the boredom only washes over you when the discussion goes in a direction that you can't argue against........;-) Maybe those who are bored of it should take heed of some sage advice from 80s TV classic kids programme Why Don't You:

Here we have an acknowledgement of why some of us have challenged the council since the get-go on whether these measures actually work or whether they displace traffic via another route and actually increase pollution. The circle is now complete!

No I am not - you were talking about consultations and I have given an example of a local consultation that Southwark Council have ignored the results from. I think you will find I am very much on the right thread and that's exactly why you're trying to deflect and distract....;-)

The Dulwich Phase 3 consultation results (which are an excellent example of how the council ignores the responses) were published in February of this year. I know you would love to pigeon-hole the Dulwich scheme as a done deal but you may, or may not, have noticed that the council has been changing the designs - hence the Phase 3 tag - and remember, they had proposed an £8m set of improvements for the latest round that were soundly laughed out of the room and then they came back with the works they are now, hurriedly, trying to complete. So no, some of us haven't moved on as we are not happy to turn a blind-eye to council wastage - especially at a time when the council is claiming it has no money for anything - perhaps you are? Or maybe you're happy for them to waste tax-payers money time and time again on things you support? For anyone who spends much time around there it's becoming clear there are likely design-flaws in the works they are doing now - they seem to be creating a cycle pinch-point on the chicane part in front of Au Ciel - so I am sure they will come back and throw even more money at it in due course. That square will likely haunt the local councillors for the rest of their careers - from the way they installed it, the way they ignored the pleas of the emergency services to re-open it (I have never understood why any politician thinks that ignoring the input from emergency services is a wise move), the way they have botched consultation after consultation and the millions of tax-payer's money they have wasted on what is nothing more than an ideological vanity project.

The Lib Dems were also campaigning to have a pragmatic discussion and approach around LTNs during the council elections. One of them should have stood down to galvanise the vote - if the Tories had stood down I suspect the Dulwich Village result might have been very different. This is know as the "champagne socialist" effect! 😉

Let's just ground your comments on the weight of opposition to the Dulwich Square proposals - the council said they had 3234 comments left in the consultation and 82% of respondents identified as being from Dulwich. This is how the comments were ranked (in terms of do the changes meet the objectives). Pretty compelling and how did the council respond - "thanks for your interest we are proceeding with the plans regardless". Perhaps you can enlighten us as to how the council fulfilled it's duty of office in relation to a consultation per the below? What is consultation? Consultation is technically any activity that gives local people a voice and an opportunity to influence important decisions. It involves listening to and learning from local people before decisions are made or priorities are set.

The devil is always in the detail - and the detail was massively lacking from the Southwark Labour manifesto (it always is)!

Posting the last One Dulwich update here because they discuss the Dept of Transport data that identifies Southwark's cycling and walking data every year since 2016 to 2023 and it is very interesting (which I have attached). It would be great if they could break this down to separate walking from cycling.. Campaign Update | 10 Sep The Dulwich Village junction Work continues on the £1.5 million Dulwich Village junction re-design, despite the lack of community support (see the Phase 3 Consultation Report here). We continue to impress on council officers that their plans show unacceptably poor access for emergency vehicles, and inadequate and badly positioned parking for Blue Badge holders. Further details, and how to object, can be found under ‘Dulwich Streets for People (notice dated 5 Sept 2024)’. Southwark’s poor investment The Department for Transport’s published data (updated last month) shows that Southwark’s huge investment in active travel – including millions spent on LTNs – has resulted in no significant change in either walking or cycling. In fact, walking and cycling for travel (rather than leisure) went down in 2023 compared with pre-Covid years. Maybe they need to re-think their strategy? West Dulwich Action Group The West Dulwich Action Group are taking legal action to fight Lambeth Council over the recently imposed LTN. Read more on their Facebook page, or help them reach their £30,000 target via GoFundMe. Thank you for your support. Best wishes, The One Dulwich Team

No I am not - I am calling on the council to use a consultation in the manner which they are bound to do so which is per the below (and nothing Southwark has done adequately fulfils this). Only the most blinkered would suggest the council has come any close to the below. Not sure why you don't think running a definitive consultation to close this off once and for all would not be in everyone's best interests - unless, of course, deep down you know the results would go against you - which brings us back to exactly why the council have ignored the below and had to pull every under-hand tactic out of their playbook to try and get what they want. What is consultation? Consultation is technically any activity that gives local people a voice and an opportunity to influence important decisions. It involves listening to and learning from local people before decisions are made or priorities are set.