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Snowy, Chelsea Bridge has signs on it saying troops need to break step when marching across it so vibrating bridges has been a thing for a long time! Interesting though that London was the only UK city to register an increase (5%) in congestion since Covid and the next closest in the top ten UK cities saw a 9% decrease.....what caused that do you think?

I am wondering if the council have any carrots in their armoury of things to tackle the problem rather than a lot of (profitable...ahem) sticks... What annoys me is they bleat on and on about not having funding to put bike hangers in (despite earning millions in LTN fines) yet can give up huge swathes of public pavement space to e-bike and scooter rental locations for companies who will make revenue from them (and pay the council for the privilege).

No I am arguing that human behaviour is influenced by situation and location and repeatedly citing Amsterdam as a glorious example of how a city like London can be transformed is pointless because Amsterdam is nothing like London. In tne same way that London is completely different to Istanbul and so are its transport needs. And Paris is not a glorious example either as congestion and pollution there is worse than ever. My Parisian friends love the theory of the 15 minute city but hate the reality of what it is causing. They tell me its great if you live close to where you work, if not (and for most Parisians that is the case) it is a transport disaster. Of course since the LTNs went in in London we are now the most/one of the most congested cities in the world. Co-incidence - you will no doubt say yes. Others are less likely to be so convinced.

You clearly aren't spending enough time in Dulwich...or Southwark for that matter....;-)

Sorry to point out the bleedingly obvious but Amsterdam is not London and the context of that research makes that very clear. Amsterdam is unique in its size and compactness and always gets rolled out as a great example but unfortunately it never translates to bigger cities...for obvious reasons.

I will look through the whole report when I have time but one of the opening paras suggests Amsterdam may be slightly different to London.....and Dulwich in particular 2.1. Context Amsterdam is a historic European city, characterised by narrow one-way streets and by a transportation system that offers many modal alternatives to travellers. In 2017, auto travel represented 27% of trips, while cycling, walking, public transport, and scooters, each accounted for 26%, 19%, 26%, and 2%, respectively (Gemeente Amsterdam, 2019). About half of all car trips, excluding those made by residential parking permit holders, are made by non-residents.

CPZs do nothing to reduce car use. The council knows this, Malumbu knows this..even Mr Chicken knows this.

But look at those videos of some of the cycling in Dulwich seen on a regular basis - is it considerate to other road users and would it make you fell safe as a pedestrian? Look at the Dulwich Library junction - it is not great for pedestrians due to the number of bikes ignoring the lights or the rules of the road. It definitely needs some intervention from the police or council, other authorities are having to do it in London so Southwark should follow suit in those hot spots that need it most. Surely everyone can agree to that?

This is a thread on ULEZ and not CPZs and is relevant due to the political hot potato I referred to many posts ago. Clearly Jezzer wants back into the Labour party and is using the threat of running for Mayor as the lever and is jumping on the ULEZ band wagon. He would have been an absolute disaster for this country and given his issues with controlling anti-semitism within his own party should never be allowed back in to it.

BBC News - Jeremy Corbyn to 'have a think' about London mayor bid https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66416568 This could be a disaster for Sadiq and Keir if this was to happen.

Keep it on topic Malumbu...you're meandering.....or is there a cyclists on paths punchline we are wating for....? No Ex- you are wrong on this. Every cyclist has a responsibility to self-police, just in the same way car drivers do too. Policing is required for those who flaunt and break the rules whether they are a cyclist or driver. As a driver I keep to the speed limit, this often upsets drivers who want to go faster but I am helping police. I have stopped at red lights whilst cycling and been berated by those cyclists who do not want to stop at red lights. I have told them that we all need to respect the rules of the road. That's me helping police cycling too. But who is policing cyclists. My suggestion is to get the council or police to enforce the rules for cyclists...they are being forced to do it in other parts of London so why not Southwark. As a cyclist I have nothing to be afraid of because it don't flaunt the rules. What is interesting is the reaction by many of the pro-lobby, you don't see many criticising anything to do with the behaviour of cyclists, happy to turn a blind eye to bad cycling whilst calling out bad driving. And then look at Snowy's over-excited reaction to what they perceive to be a gotcha...more interested with trying to make a ludicrous accusation and make utterly pointless and childish accusations than addressing anything in the video posted. So wonderfully predictable.

You're the thread killer Malumbu...the comedian in the comedy club who kills the momentum and vibe and people laugh nervously at because they wonder why they arent getting the joke! 😉

Oh do try another one.....Good grief.....you're getting really desperate now...

Nope but given how bad the cycling is woudn't you agree the cyclist/s is/are increasing the chances of that happening considerably?

Have you just discovered the concept of the multiple choice question and are now trying to use it in everything you do? What on earth are you blathering on about now? Or is this just your latest bizarre attempt to distract from the topic of the thread?

Or d) Yet more examples of terrible cycling - a problem that seems to be getting worse and needs policing as cyclists aren't doing it themselves

https://youtu.be/WLbInJdm4pc Some more classics in here. I wonder if the council/police need to do some cycle interventions at the Dulwich library junction, time to start issuing a few fines perhaps?

Here is a prediction for you...the CPZ will have zero impact on car ownership or car use in Dulwich. It will, however, be a key part of Southwark's greenwashing programme with them telling us it's them doing their bit for climate change. And that narrative will be swallowed hook, line and sinker by those who are dumb enough to believe what the council tells them and don't bother to look at the reality beyond the council's propaganda.

The point has always been LTNs are not effective tool to combat vehicular use, they are a very blunt instrument that merely moves traffic from one road to another...they just pass the problem to someone else. They do nothing to reduce car use in numbers needed to impact climate change - and remember data from Aldred showed a 9% increase in vehicle ownership within LTNs since the measures went in. What was interesting to me is that the BBC was saying that one of the things needed urgently to tackle climate change was to encourage more electric vehicles....something councils like Southwark have completely overlooked (this will likely trigger the usual nonsense retort about brake disc emissions etc which is just a BS distraction technique). And much of that is down to the anti-car lobby who have manipulated the process from the outset. Bottom-line is the LTN in Dulwich has failed. All it has done is created streets with many fewer cars at the expense of streets which now have many more. And for the record I live on a street with many fewer now.

What control area - are you confusing Lambeth data used by Aldred and Co with Dulwich? Is Chicken a non-Dulwicher too?

A real shame you won't be given the democratic right to say whether you support CPZs or not in the consultation. Perhaps that part of a democratic right is not one you feel is important..... Anyone who thinks this is about the environment is daft as a brush....;-)

You make a very good point! Ha ha, I think you'll find that's the far left of Labour that have never taken responsibility for anything...

And their latest missive....what a load of blinkered nonsense......who do these people claim to represent exactly? Love the fact mums for lungs is pushing the consultation out far and wide...does the council not have enough responses yet and a wider base required...;-)

Yup, probably best stop moaning about people having a moan for fear someone accuses you of being hypocritical.....;-)

CAD or Council Approved Directives! 😉 Honestly that thread about Dulwich Wood is absolutely ludicrous. The very same twitter thread moans about school buses when schools proactively try to resolve the issue...there's no pleasing some people...