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I agree, there are too many intangibles at play to be able to say what has, or hasn't created, the increase in crime in the whole ward. I do think there is a debate to be had whether quieter streets with fewer cars mean that certain types of crime are easier to commit and allow targeting of victims. The current modus operandi of crash for cash only really works on quieter streets and it is no coincidence that areas around the DV LTN are being targeted by criminals. On phone snatches and knifepoint robberies the argument could be made that because there are more people walking around the quieter streets then that part explains the rise in crimes of that nature (which aren't happening on Dulwich Square but on the surrounding streets. Overall, in the Dulwich Village ward, crime is on the way up, is the highest it has been in the three years of monitoring available on the police website, and it is being driven by certain types of crime - I don't really care what the cause is but what the solution is because it is Dulwich residents (all of our neighbours) who are often on the receiving end of what can be terrifying encounters that can have lasting impact.

I think the council are targeting those with particular issues.

It is an incredibly small sample size as one postcode averages about 15 houses - one street could be 4 or 5 different postcodes maybe more? Can you search for multiple postcodes on that site? As far as I am aware there is no way to search multiple postcodes on the police website and they only offer you the ward detail and at the ward level crime is increasing. You can do a summary of monthly crime and which part of the ward it is being "reported" but I have no idea how accurate that is but there seem to be two distinct epi-centres for crime in the ward - around Herne Hill station and the centre of Dulwich Village (it fluctuates month to month but you can see the epi-centres). https://www.police.uk/pu/your-area/metropolitan-police-service/dulwich-village/?yourlocalpolicingteam=about-us&tab=crimemap There are so many factors involved in why a crime happens in one area or another (I am amazed how many people wander down roads where there is a known phone snatch problem typing away on their phones) but the upward trends are worrying - especially the robbery from a person (as often knives are involved) as these can be hugely traumatic for the victim. It is clear that criminals are targeting the Dulwich Village area and certain types of crime are rising and the overall picture for the ward is not good either.

Never mind what's on the artists impression - have you been down there to have a look - a 25 ft long and 9 ft wide fire engine weighing 13 tonnes could not negotiate through without driving up the kerbs but, as I mentioned before, I am sure I read that emergency vehicles can't use Calton anymore.

Yeah that bit confused me too because the bits of France I go to are very much not like Switzerland......

It's now one of Time Out's must-see parts of London apparently.......especially with the new really expensive crazy paving!! Apparently Time Out claims that the cost per brick is the most expensive of anywhere in the world - making it London's must-see white elephant with the publication telling readers to "get there quick" before the council changes it all again because the cycle lobby think the new paving is "too bumpy".....;-)

What has the Daily Express got to do with it? Are you saying this because you think this thread has some scare story element to it (a la the Express). The fact remains crime is going up in the Dulwich Village ward and paying more taxes or being more French isn't going to slow the rate of increase any time soon.

What I find galling is the council deemed Dulwich Square more of a priority than other far more pressing infrastructure needs.

That's one way to spin it.....until you rationalise it with the fact that OneDulwich only came into being because of the lack of transparency and accountability from the council and councillors over a lot of these measures - they lied from day one and those who felt they were being taken for a ride by the council engaged with One Dulwich because it gave them a voice. People were annoyed because the council would tell anyone that would listen (catalyzed by the pro-LTN lobbyists and cheerleaders) that is was a small vocal minority of residents who opposed the way the council were handling themselves - it was anything but a small vocal minority and that's why so many local residents signed up on the One Dulwich website. But you're happy with the council to have an incredibly cozy relationship with pro-active travel lobby groups and to manipulate engagement processes, ignore constituents to get the result the lobbyists want?

I don't have the exact plans just have the artist's impression on the link provided in this thread - do you have the exact plans - if so, do share them? So do you think the chicane that is currently in place is temporary and will not be in the final design when the works are completed?

Just not the hairdressers.....;-)

Let's hope that is the case as, I am sure you'll agree, it's very tight at the moment. Are they going to be narrowing the pavement on the far side from the new kerb then?

Sorry let me correct it for you expensive looking "natural stone paving" as the council refers to it - has anyone seen something as extravagant anywhere else in Dulwich? The kerb stones are in though aren't they? The track and the new chicane is clear to see. You know what, looking at that council schematic I can't help but wonder why they didn't just divert bikes around Gilkes Place and Gilkes Crescent and avoid the whole trying to mix bikes and pedestrians in a pedestrian area. An emergency vehicle will not fit along the path currently created heading up Calton unless it mounts the new pavement - I might be wrong but I thought the council had said that all emergency vehicles would have to go up Court Lane and cannot use Calton anymore?

It is indeed and duly corrected. What do you mean we all need to pay our way - don't we do that already? What else can be done to target the crime - do people think the police and council are currently doing enough? Parts of Dulwich are becoming crime hotspots yet nothing ever seems to be done.

But Earl, ignoring another one of your false accusations, do you have any input on whether you think it does anything other than: Add new expensive looking crazy paving Restriction of emergency services access to Calton Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton

Springtime - we will never know but what we can say is that in Dulwich Village crime is increasing and the types of crime that are behind the rise are the types of crime where criminals prey on individuals and don't want a lot of people around to interfere.

In Dulwich Village crime IS increasing. The attached chart is the latest 3 year trend from the police website. Now some time back I was looking at specific types of crime in Dulwich Village - the trigger for which was me seeing the aftermaths of crimes in the area and the fact Cllr Leeming had said there was no increase in crime just a perceived increase in crime. Looking at the data it looks like he, and those who say crime is not increasing, are wrong - both at the overall reported crimes and significant increases in certain crime types. Some types of crimes are increasing significantly (or they were earlier this year and then the police stopped reporting crime numbers - I think I read they were reclassifying crime types and I have not gone back in to continue digging out the detail). Anyway here is the trend for certain types of crime year by year. Not sure how crash for cash gets classified but there has been a lot of that around Court Lane as the thieves pray on school run drivers and rely on only the driver and the "victim" witnessing it. Here is the thread from which the data below is taken and a breakdown of one of the areas that has been contributing to the increase - robberies (knife point, phone snatching etc): Now, it's a bit of challenge trying to understand where the type of crime that is becoming such a problem locally is logged but there are three categories where it would reside when reported: robbery (where theft, a weapon or violence is used), theft from a person or other theft (phone snatches are filed as other). Now over the last three years all three categories have been growing considerably in the Dulwich Village ward: 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 January 2024 Robbery: 5 Theft from person: 7 Other theft: 6

I think it might be as they are also on the paths in the middle of the park too.

Accountability. The council was acting with impunity, forcing it's plans on residents without following the correct procedures - it's clear they used Covid rules as the trojan horse to ram home plans they had no overall local consensus for. And remember, the council was forced to re-run it's CPZ consultation because they were not fulfilling their legal obligations (as none of their previous consultations did either) and we can than groups like One Dulwich for that. Whilst the council continues to ignore local public views towards their measures and rolls them out anyway a line has been drawn in the sand and if there is ever an investigation into whether the consultations were legally binding then a lot of the councillors will be called in to discuss their role in it. By far the best thing One Dulwich has done though is really annoy some of the pro-LTN campaigners on here - the amount of hours some on here spend whining about who is behind it etc is brilliant and again shows what a great job One Dulwich are doing - the fact they really make some irate is brilliant to see!

Err Malumbu, because it is close to opening and there wasn't another thread that fitted my question and are you here to police what people do or don't post. Look, if people are interested in the subject then the thread will live, if not then it will die - that's how forums work! I am sure a few people are looking forward to the opening but to me it seems like a huge waste of money that, other than the points I raised earlier, seems to have done nothing to improve the junction. Can anyone tell me what the huge spend has actually changed? It seems to me that in their desperate attempt to finally (and quickly) close part of the junction to emergency vehicles the council has spent a huge amount of money - I have never seen paving like that anywhere else in Dulwich and it looks like it cost a fortune - at a time when the council is pleading poverty it is a bit hypocritical

As the wraps start to come off the Dulwich Square hideously expensive works can anyone see what the difference is to how it was before other than: New expensive looking crazy paving Restriction of emergency services access to Calton Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton It all all seems a lot of money spent for very little.

Clearly a lot more than makes you and others who attack them feel comfortable with....the relentless attacks on OneDulwich show just what a thorn in the side they have become for the pro-lobby (most of whom, if the rants on here are anything to go by, seem not to like any balance in the debate or any opposition to their grand plans).

Ha ha, why does this not come as a surprise to anyone..... Far more likely is what really upsets you is that someone is providing some opposition to the measures you support, you'd be far happier if your agenda could be activated without anyone able to say a word against it. Thank goodness for One Dulwich.

Well said...and people are, usually, smart enough to see through these ludicrous attempts to try to make a point. It was clear from day 1 that RaptorTruckMan was a fake account.

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2024/oct/05/doubts-grow-over-labours-vat-plan-for-private-schools