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But do you think that if you do hit and injure or kill someone whilst cycling at high speeds then you should be charged with dangerous cycling? The guy who killed Hilda Griffiths was shown, from his own Strava, of AVERAGING 25mph around the park with peak speeds of 29mph and he was ignoring slow signs. The coroner ruled it accidental but clearly his speed was a massive factor - and in the car world, at a minimum, that would be a charge of dangerous driving (and rightly so). Apparently Hilda had been telling her son how dangerous she felt the park had become due to cyclists travelling at high speed when she walked her dog. You'd be hard pressed to find a cyclist in Dulwich Park observing the 5mph speed limit and I have seen accidents as a result. Just a few weeks ago I saw a Lime bike rider hit a small child on a scooter in Dulwich Park (down towards the DV entrance around the area adjacent to tennis courts and toilets where cyclists have gathered the most speed) - thankfully both suffered no worse than cuts or bruises but still, if the Lime bike rider had been going under 5mph the accident would have been avoided. Granted we don't have pelotons of Stravas full kit wallies in Dulwich Park but there is still an issue.

No i haven't. I have said he killed her. He killed her by hitting her when he was travelling at high speed on his bike around Regent's Park. That's fact not opinion - the coroner recorded the death as an accidental cycling collision. Come on Malumbu, why are you so afraid to answer the question? I think I know why because you know perfectly well that if it was a driver travelling at around 29mph in a 20mph zone that hit and killed a pedestrian they would be charged with causing death by dangerous driving. So why not cyclists? Why should cyclists not be held responsible for their actions?

Malumbu, let's spin this on it's head. Can you tell me why you think cyclists should not observe speed limits? Anyone walking around Dulwich Park will see the vast majority of cyclists going above the 5mph speed limit - why do you think that is acceptable? Also, do you think you should be able to be charged with causing death by dangerous cycling? A contentious politicised law change proposal pre-election but surely if anyone kills anyone else the individual has to be held accountable. Brian Fitzgerald killed Hilda Griffiths, was travelling way above the speed limit in his peleton, ignored a slow sign and walked away from court. If he was in a car he would have been charged with causing death by dangerous driving. Why not on a different mode of transport. Is that right?

But it was a CPZ consultation was it not? March - out of interest do you think the current signage clearly alerts drivers that parking in Calton is subject to restrictions?

People only ever do this when they have no thoughtful or rational argument! Or they call people names. Either way it's a clear sign of weakness, childishness or madness - take your pick! These are the types of posts you see before celebs say they are: "taking some time away from social media". 😉 And this is why admin does need to step in because if everyone behaves likes this the forum is dead.

Whomever One Dulwich is, and hats off to them, when they see this type of reaction I do hope they take it as validation that they are doing exactly the right thing. These types of reactions shows they are doing exactly what they need to and are really needling those who blindly support the council and their plans. But for everyone's sake, and seemingly for Earl's own benefit, it might be time for admin to intervene here and direct Earl back to proper forum etiquette or tell them it might be time to follow Mr Chicken, LTNManatee and LTNBooHoo to another forum!

If this is the new way forward there can be no doubt what the council's intentions are and how they are putting shameless revenue-generation ahead of fairness. Shame on them if this is now their approach - and they have the gall to refer to themselves as socialists.

Well done. Congratulations on your new role. At least Dulville can now stop banging on and on about who is running it because it appeared to be becoming a bit obsessive!!! 😉 Earl, I am not sure changing your forum name and picture is really in the spirit of what the forum was set up for and I am sure admin won't take favourably that you are now masquerading as someone else completely - we have had bouts of that sort of thing before and they got themselves banned.... Maybe I will claim the Earl name to really confuse people....

Probably...but despite continued attempts to undermine them by somehow suggesting they are a political trojan horse they keep fighting and clearly aren't going away so it looks like some of you are just going to have to gnash your teeth, call them names and just live with them! #powertothepeople!!! 😉

Hang on, so are you saying this isn't in fact a CPZ but a RPZ? Did we not have a consultation on CPZs - were RPZs ever mentioned? I am sorry but if those two signs are the only notification that you are entering a CPZ/RPZ and you can get fined for parking there then that is an absolute joke and clearly designed to generate revenue by not making it clear. If this is the case then how the council get away with this is beyond me. It's entrapment.

Perhaps it's a revenue-generating trap - (cue council apologists any second now....) What I don't understand is that on Townley there are repeater boards making it very clear parking times and hours and clear road markings which would be very difficult to miss. This is Cllrs Newens and Leemings patch isn't it?

You would expect so - especially if they are ticketing cars with such frequency.

They have to be adding more signage as if you were driving there is no way you would see that sign - especially as your attention has to be on the crossing and in a car the sign is so high-up you would not be able to see it. There are none of the usual council signs saying any further work is due to take place - do any of the council-fans know whether this is still work in progress - I would have expected someone to have jumped to the council's defence by now from those who are close to the council and their plans?

Yes a lot of local campaign groups have joined forces to lobby government: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/anti-ltn-campaigners-lobby-government-b1204631.html That'll annoy the usual suspects no doubt....;-) A couple of snippets from the article all of which seem perfectly reasonable and pragmatic: Fifteen community groups have sent a letter to the transport secretary Heidi Alexander arguing that LTN schemes often “do not have the backing of local people”. The letter also called for the government to introduce “a strict regulatory framework” for new and existing LTN schemes to make sure that they cannot introduce schemes which do not have community support.

No what you presented was your opinion and interpretation of the accident stats and you referred to them as "frequent" or something similar. I challenged you on the use of "frequent". But I am not going get into a debate with you for fear you'll call me a nasty name......;-)

I had a look earlier and those can't be the only signage they are putting in surely? Two tiny signs well out of eye sight and natural eye-line if you are driving and then no other signage for the length of the road and no bays marked out. Surely not? There must be something else planned? If that's it then I defy anyone to try and defend the council on this rollout and not agree that this has been designed to catch people out. Loads of cars have been plastered with PCNs and are those warning letters or PCNs that trigger warning letters in the first few weeks? Regardless, a lot of people get very upset getting parking tickets and repeatedly putting tickets on the same car day after day seems ludicrous and could cause someone returning to their car a lot of distress, especially as if they are not parked adjacent to the two tiny signs (and thinking oh did I check the sign way above eye-line on the pole) they would have no idea they are in a CPZ. Ha ha, that already sounds like the council trying to find someone else to blame for the "oversights". Ultimately someone from the council has to sign this off and they have to accept responsibility if anything goes wrong (they won't of course).

No I am taking the mick out of the Guardian's conclusions that the famous Herne Hill school Dulwich College is the sole reason for an increase of pollution on Croxted Road......

Are those signs (that have now been amended) the only signs notifying people that they are entering a CPZ? I saw the one at DV end above the beacon for the crossing and could not see any others.

Yes the council revenue-generation, sorry, enforcement teams are circling every day now.

Earl, I am not going to rehash that argument with you but my position was very clear on why I challenged you on how "frequent" these collisions were given the number of vehicular journeys made over a course of the year. That's not minimising anything - it's trying to establish some facts instead of opinion. Probably because the council haven't yet realised what a revenue-generating opportunity this is....I am sure they will realise it soon! Put a few PCN teams at a few strategic points and the cyclist cash registers would soon start ringing!! 😉

Yes boo/hiss...how dare that famous Herne Hill school Dulwich College be the sole cause of increased pollution on Croxted Road......;-)

As someone who has spent time running training courses for cycling do you think there needs to be more focus on educating cyclists - is this a lack of road sense issue?

So then can we presume that there is a growing problem which is why the City of London Police regularly deploy officers to enforce the rule? Some on here would try to convince you there is no problem and that this is all part of a culture war, maybe the police are part of it too....

No I didn't. I merely challenged you on your assertion that these accidents were frequent (or whatever term you used) - that's not me minimising crash data but challenging you on your maximising of it. Thank you - that was completely uncalled for and clearly against forum rules - but I may change my user name to Despicable Individual as a result...or at least get a T-Shirt made...;-) And I agree that it's impossible to do - but then, how do we manage the challenge of bad and dangerous cycling? More police doing stops like they do in the City?

Clearly schools contribute massively to the problem but it is actually amazing that the Guardian editor/legal team let this story go to print and finger Dulwich College specifically in the way they have. Also, which private schools do those 6,000 pupils go to in Herne Hill exactly...I think the journalist might be a bit confused where the schools are....