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I am glad you did as your first post (which you published) was a personal attack which you are not allowed to engage in on this forum. To be fair @Earl Aelfheah when I do offer credible evidence you're just as aggressive and dismissive and then, hilariously, you remove the direct accusation and then end-up still suggesting I make things up. Doh!

Ha ha...perfect timing @Earl Aelfheah. Thanks! @first mate was spot on. Some people just can't help reverting to type..... @Earl Aelfheah just what are you accusing me of making up this time...be careful as this is all starting to look like a personal attack? I now see you have edited you post to remove the makes stuff up part which I appreciate as it is a personal attack you were waging and you are sailing very close to the line on forum rules. Ha ha, except that certain types of crime have been rising since 2021...which you said was not correct but the data sides with me on that one not you. And I am the one being accused of making stuff up...it's hilarious. Where do I say that exactly.....I showed there is evidence of certain types of street crime increasing significantly in the Dulwich Village ward. And you have not shared anything you have suggested reports that show crime has not risen in LTNs - which to be fair is what I linked to. @Earl Aelfheah do you have the 72 London LTN report to which you refer?

No the Aldred one I am referring to is this one: https://findingspress.org/article/19414-the-impact-of-introducing-a-low-traffic-neighbourhood-on-street-crime-in-waltham-forest-london Can you link to the one to which you refer which compared crime rates before and after in the 72 London LTNs? Or a slight increase in overall crime. What is very clear though is certain crime types like robbery, theft from person and other theft have been increasing significantly since 2021. In the Dulwich Village ward theft from person rates alone more than doubled from 2023 to 2024 and are on course to be higher again in 2025. Ha ha...and it's almost like you are desperately throwing things to try to convince people that the increases in crime in the area isn't happening....ho hum....how predictable....and always the usual suspects...again, how predictable. It is telling how agitated some get when they hear something (what the PCSO said) that doesn't tally with their own ideology.....amazing. As I said it seems this is also how our local councillors reacted when TFL dared to say their beloved LTNs were causing congestion on Croxted...and they are alleged to have made TFL staff cry...so much so Will Norman had to intervene......why do people get so upset by this stuff and are so cultishly protective of it?

@Dogkennelhillbilly ha ha don't tempt me as during my most recent search (triggered by @Earl Aelfheah argumentative manner) I found a layer of information that would indeed help clarify whether areas within the LTN were experiencing more increases in crime than others. I do wonder what creative counter arguments would be put forward if the data did indeed show that was the case.....maybe I will find the time to do it. BTW have Aldred and Co looked at that recently - I think those who claim there is no proof that LTNs led to an increase in crime cite Aldred's last report which was published in 2021 but looked at police data between 2012 and 2019 in one LTN in Waltham Forest - so very much a (very) pre-Covid implementation of the LTN's we know today. Have they done any further studies on it?

Err, because it shows that the trend for rising theft from person may well continue to rise year-on-year in 2025 as well - like it has done every year since 2021....which shows that type of crime is increasing despite your desperate claims. The problem here @Earl Aelfheah is that you aggressively react to anything you see that you don't want to agree with or hear about - it happens every single time - you are so blinkered that you cannot look at anything with any sense of pragmatism - it's always a knee-jerk "this is a lie/5 years ago/there's no proof" claptrap. As I said before you can deny all you want but for those of us who actually live in the area concerned it is clear what is happening and crime is increasing. So you can cut the stats all you want looking at 5 month periods but, as the police data confirms, certain types of crime are increasing year on year and the police and local residents are working to try and counter it. Of course, how anyone proves it has anything to do with the LTNs is another matter but there does seem to be a correlation between closure of the roads and increases in crimes that are easier to perpetrate on quieter roads. And, of course, PCSOs validated exactly that by confirming they believe there is a correlation as they handed out leaflets on crime prevention. Of course they could be wrong but the fact they were saying that suggests there might be a problem. I believe there could be a link, you believe there cannot be a link - that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion but please do not try to tell people who are experiencing an increase crime that it is not happening. It is and the head in the sand/denial approach helps no-one. Imagined by the police data? @DulvilleRes your name suggests you might live within the area or possibly on one of the streets within the LTN - did you get a visit from the PCSOs or any leaflets put through your door?

Hey @Earl Aelfheah what if you selectively plucked the theft from person stats and looked at that instead....how is that doing? 34 theft from persons for the first 5 months of this year compared to 61 in total for the whole of 2024......and that figure of 61 had almost doubled from the figures in 2023... ...but, you know, you keep telling yourself that it is not actually happening.....you may be able to fool yourself but the people who live in the area know what is going on. And so, seemingly, are the police and thankfully, instead of pretending nothing is happening and everything is awesome, they are trying to do something about it.

What on earth does it show then? Err the baseline is the previous year's stats for the Dulwich Village ward....the discussion is whether crime is increasing in Dulwich Village and clearly certain types of crime are. I suggest it is you who are playing games. Year-on-year certain types of crime were increasing significantly within the area. It's there in black and white and shows that your claims are not based in fact...but again you chose to argue as it doesn't suit your agenda... Let's be honest, we have been here before. Ha ha, if all else fails and you're losing the battle accuse someone of being a reader of, creator of Daily Mail right-wing headlines....Ex- I expected better from you! 😉 - don't stoop to your cohort's levels! Err these stats were taken from the Police website plotting monthly reported crime in Dulwich Village - are you now also doubting those are true too....first PCSOs now the Police website - do you have trouble believing anyone when the story doesn't suit your narrative? I have now found the monthly breakdown (it can be found on the crime map for the Village Ward https://www.police.uk/pu/your-area/metropolitan-police-service/dulwich-village/?yourlocalpolicingteam=about-us&tab=crimemap) and let's continue to look at the actual numbers shall we to include 2024....theft from person almost doubled year on year and is on course to be higher again this year - how do you explain that? In fact all of those 3 categories were up year on year from 2023 to 2024. 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 2024 Robbery: 62 Theft from person: 61 Other theft: 78 2025 up to and including May Robbery: 16 Theft from person: 34 Other theft: 18

You appear to be selectively plucking a month vs month comparison - what is important is the trend and that shows a upward trend in reported crimes in Dulwich Village (see below) over the last 3 years (see below) @Earl Aelfheah as I said to you previously I did the analysis in 2024 on the growth in certain types of crime and I repost it below for your benefit. Certain types of crime have, particularly been on the increase in the Dulwich Village Ward since 2021 (as far back as police records went back on their data website at the time I did the research). When I have time I will see what the trend was for 2024 as well but I can't seem to find the month-by-month breakdown that I used before. But - not only has crime overall been increasing but certain types of crime have been growing exponentially since 2021. That is a fact. Of course you do; but it neither surprises me nor concerns me. But that doesn't make it wrong or a lie. I am 100% certain that your scepticism is wrong! Next time I will ask them if they might mind me recording them to video saying what they said to keep Earl happy...but I am sure you'll probably try to question that too!!! 😉 In the Dulwich Village ward overall reported crime is up over the last year and over the last 3 years. Now, it's a bit of challenge trying to understand where the type of crime that is becoming such a problem locally is logged but there are three categories where it would reside when reported: robbery (where theft, a weapon or violence is used), theft from a person or other theft (phone snatches are filed as other). Now over the last three years all three categories have been growing considerably in the Dulwich Village ward: 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 January 2024 Robbery: 5 Theft from person: 7 Other theft: 6

Does anyone know what those Calton ones are for? They have installed a four-way traffic signal set-up - they appear to be doing something along the pavement on Townley as it was all coned off yesterday.

I just love the predictable response by some to this thread - oh so reminiscent of the reaction by councillors when TFL dared to suggest that the increase in traffic on Croxted Road was due to the Dulwich LTNs......all a bit aggressive knee-jerk to desperately try to ensure the narrative that there is only good to come from LTNs is sent..... Well @Earl Aelfheah you can doubt all you want but unfortunately that doesn't change what a PCSO was saying. Your tone suggests you doubt what I am saying or I am making it up - well I am not. Have any of you naysayers actually spoken to anyone who lives in the Dulwich LTN area and asked them about whether they feel there is an increase in crime? @DulvilleRes your name suggests you live in the area - what's the buzz on your street? Now, of course, you can debate all you like whether this is because of the road closures or not but there is a distinct perception that crime is increasing - every day those who live on the streets are hearing about crimes, police and PCSOs are pro-actively knocking on houses within the LTN to advise residents how to avoid being a victim of crime - yet the posters on this forum say...."nope, this is a lie, everything is awesome"....

It was a few weeks ago and they were handing out flyers about things you can do to prevent thefts - buying crook locks etc. Two of them - a male and a female PCSO - working the roads. They were doing the roads around Dovercourt, Woodwarde, Druce etc - the areas that the problems are particularly pronounced. You know what they say about denial @Earl Aelfheah. I can assure you it very much happened, you might not believe it but it did. How do I know, because they knocked on our door and I spoke to them.......what makes you so sceptical or is it just in your nature when you hear something you really don't want to believe? The PCSOs did not elaborate but I think the issue is that the types of crime that are increasing rely on people not witnessing it or intervening and the criminals like nothing more than quiet roads to do that. The moped scam is a classic example - if someone actually sees what happened they can't distract - in fact, people locally are discussing that going to aid the victim usually encourages the criminals to leave the scene. They target lone cars so no-one witnesses it. Phone thefts are the same - they like to approach people on quiet roads and don't want anyone to interfere with their escape or to warn the victim. LTNs do create much quieter streets - that is one of their advantages but there may well be a downside to that as well. When I looked at the crime figures some time ago (and posted them on here) the types of crime were changing with the aforementioned categories growing. Bottom-line is that the people who live in the area are becoming increasingly aware of the issue and the police (and PCSOs) are going to alert people. Just walk down any of those roads and see how many people have crook locks on their cars. And this is all being reflected in the Village activity links: https://www.police.uk/pu/your-area/metropolitan-police-service/dulwich-village/?yourlocalpolicingteam=policing-priorities Priority: Robbery and Theft - Dealing with robberies and theft snatch throughout the ward, prodominately aimed at school students. Issued 01 July 2025 Action taken: Increased high visibility patrols at school run times around the ward. Educating students and residents by handing out crime prevention advice leaflets. Actioned 01 July 2025 Priority: Dealing with crimes related to motor vehicles - including theft of motor vehicle, theft from a motor vehicle and vehicle interference. Issued 01 July 2025 Action taken: Patrolling targeted areas, highlighting vulnerable vehicles and offering advice for target hardening. Leaflets and reassurance crime advice. Varying shift patterns to allow patrols later in the evenings and nights. Actioned 01 July 2025 Priority: Our latest community survey highlighted an increased concern regarding Violence against Women and Girls within Dulwich Village, including areas within the ward which are particularly dark and leave members of the community feeling vulnerable. Issued 01 July 2025 Action taken: Enhanced high visibility patrols will be completed, working with partner agencies to reduce darker areas of the ward and using data lead policing to reduce crime by bringing offenders to justice. Actioned 01 July 2025

@Earl Aelfheah ha ha. You're just bitter that PCSOs are telling people that the LTNs have increased crime in the area. Are you suggesting that what the PCSOs are telling people is wrong or a lie just to annoy folks like you? Speak to anyone who lives in the area and they will tell you certain types of crime are increasing - about phone snatches, knife-point robberies, moped crash-for-cash scams, masked criminals on electric bikes terrorising people in Dulwich Park, cars full of masked criminals breaking into work vans, cars with false plates being used in robberies and the police are giving advice to residents on how to report and, hopefully, manage the problems. This is why the PCSOs were door-knocking and that's when they said what they said. You can deny it all you want but posting things like your previous mischievous post with your barbed and ludicrous comment in relation to a note from the City of London police is only going to re-highlight the fact but well done for bringing to the top of the message board again so people are aware!

What's going on with the roadworks on Townley Road at the junction of EDG?

Interesting article suggesting some councils are starting to see cyclists as a revenue-generating opportunity: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/kensington-and-chelsea-council-cyclist-fine-cycle-lane-west-cromwell-road-b1240366.html

Interesting question as I always think of Franco Manca as a local restaurant after eating in the original in Brixton Market decades ago but you then see they have places all over the UK so are very much a chain - although I hasten to add I was eating in the original as a teenager when it was just Franco's!!!

All, this happened recently on College Road. Be careful, people are targeting bikes: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-officer-attacked-mopeds-bikejacking-incident-b1239794.html?s=09

But it was under our electoral system in 2019! This must be part of the right-wing media conspiracy that did for Corbyn....;-) Corbyn was very closely allied to Unite and Len....

Exactly what I said, that Corbyn's group of univeristy politics far-left back benchers would have been a disaster during Covid if they had won the election. Here you go: BBC News - Ex-union boss McCluskey took private jet flights arranged by building firm, report finds https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3kgg55410o The 2019 result was considered one of the worst in living memory for Labour, not only for big swing of seats away from them but because they lost a large number of the Red-wall seats- generational Labour seats. Why? Because as Alan Johnson put it so succinctly: "Corbyn couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag"! https://youtu.be/JikhuJjM1VM?si=oHhP6rTq4hqvYyBC

No I absolutely did not - that much is clear. Have you read the latest stories about Unite, Len and the hotel in Birmingham? The UK electorate were smart enough to reject a far-left party in 2019, let's hope they are smart enough to reject a far-right party at the next election too. If not we are all doomed.

Where did I say he did a good job? Yup and Corbyn was very close to Len McCluskey and funded by Unite wasn't he...they're all as bad as each other... Labour have to purge their party of the far-left - they're a disaster. Allan Johnson summed it up so well on election night in 2019....

Corbyn was unelectable - he got trashed by Boris who was a buffoon. It was a good job too because I would have hated to see Corbyn and his rag-tag bunch of far-left university politics backbenchers try to lead the country through Covid. It is completely understandable why Starmer and the Labour Party want to purge Momentum from within their ranks and Cllr McAsh has fallen victim of that.

Ha ha..the usual suspects attempting the usual deflections.....so predictable. If in doubt start name-calling and being rude! 😉

Exactly my point so now they are counting any modal filter/intervention since 2015 as an LTN? LTNs, and their specfici implementation, are very much a thing of the Covid era but now Goodman et al are measuring other interventions and classing them as LTNs and making conclusions that LTNs are a success? Do we know what they consider to be a 2015 - 2021 LTN? To use your plane crash analogy are they not throwing planes in from a bygone era into their dataset and not comparing/analysing a consistent dataset?

Welcome back @malumbu!

Does anyone know why the researchers chose to do one report in 2021 that looked at LTNs installed in a very specific time frame yet (let's call them the Covid LTNs) yet the new report extends to "LTNs" installed from 2015? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/23/low-traffic-schemes-halve-number-of-road-injuries-study-shows The post-Covid LTN is a very different beast to something installed in 2015. Councils used Covid social distancing and emergency powers given to them to install LTNs because they could not get support for them under OHS. What does an LTN in 2015 look like compared to one in 2021. Is that confirmation bias? Or dataset bias perhaps?